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#16 AAA

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:01 PM

I suspect that a large proportion of golfers play by 'simplified' rules outside competition already.

Those who never play competitions will continue to play by their own version regardless. 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:34 PM

I suspect that a large proportion of golfers play by 'simplified' rules outside competition already.

Those who never play competitions will continue to play by their own version regardless. 

 

Would suggest that the rules modernisation conference is not to design a set of rules for the social golfer, but to broadcast their initiative and communicate what they can potentially do to streamline and simplify the rules for easier consumption and application for the average Joe. Whether bifurcation of the rules eventuates or not, the driving need is there to do something. There will always be two opposing views on how to treat this issue, ranging from wholesale change through to keeping things as they are.Why would they bother redesigning their rules for an audience that wouldn't care or follow the recommendations?

 

I would expect conference would be used identify how they determine and employ the resources required to conduct the research, identify the main contributors to rules confusion and draft their recommendations for the collective board to review, test, redraft and finally pass the changes (if there are any) on. 

 

Or they can use it as a platform to launch Trump's latest attempt at "changing the world, one whacky idea at a time" ......

Would suggest that the rules modernisation conference is not to design a set of rules for the social golfer, but to see what they can potentially do to streamline and simplify the rules for easier consumption and application for the average Joe. Whether bifurcation of the rules eventuates or not, the driving need is there to do something. There will always be tow opposing views on how to treat this issue, ranging from wholesale change through to keeping things as they are.

 

I would expect conference would be used identify how they determine and employ the resources required to conduct the research, identify the main contributors to rules confusion and draft their recommendations 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:47 PM

Only rule i hate is hitting s perfect drive down the middle and ending up in some lazy shits unfilled divot. Relief should be given in this instance.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:29 AM

All speculation and wishing can end, here are the proposals:

 

http://www.randa.org...esModernisation


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:08 AM

I'll enjoy dropping from an inch off the ground - especially in bunkers
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:35 AM

Only rule i hate is hitting s perfect drive down the middle and ending up in some lazy shits unfilled divot. Relief should be given in this instance.

I disagree with this one.
I can just see a rule like this being attempted I far too many cases where it's just a bad lie. The lie over grass is what it is.
It really, really sucks to land in some arseclowns unrepaired divot, but I can only remember it actually having an impact on a shot I've had to play once in my career.
All that meant is that I had to punch out a 7 iron rather than a full 8. Who knows, I might not have gotten the eagle otherwise.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:22 AM

Proposed Rule: Under the new Rules, “water hazards” would be superseded by the expanded concept of “penalty areas,” and new Rule 17 will provide the same basic options for relief that exist under the current Rules:

 

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:58 PM

Not sure about the putting with the stick in. Can see every putt now following a song and dance around "would you like the stick in or out for this 4 footer?"!
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:19 PM

I disagree with this one.
I can just see a rule like this being attempted I far too many cases where it's just a bad lie. The lie over grass is what it is.
It really, really sucks to land in some arseclowns unrepaired divot, but I can only remember it actually having an impact on a shot I've had to play once in my career.
All that meant is that I had to punch out a 7 iron rather than a full 8. Who knows, I might not have gotten the eagle otherwise.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:50 PM

I disagree with this one.
I can just see a rule like this being attempted I far too many cases where it's just a bad lie. The lie over grass is what it is.
It really, really sucks to land in some arseclowns unrepaired divot, but I can only remember it actually having an impact on a shot I've had to play once in my career.
All that meant is that I had to punch out a 7 iron rather than a full 8. Who knows, I might not have gotten the eagle otherwise.

I agree. Originally had the opinion that it wasn't fair having done the work of keeping the ball on the fairway only to find someone else divot. That changed over time. Golf sometimes isn't fair, just the way it is. Play the ball as it lies.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:57 PM

I agree. Originally had the opinion that it wasn't fair having done the work of keeping the ball on the fairway only to find someone else divot. That changed over time. Golf sometimes isn't fair, just the way it is. Play the ball as it lies.


So I presume you don't take relief from immovable obstructions and things like that then? Never take a drop off a cart path?

It's silly that they have some rules in place to make the game fair and then glaring omissions like balls in unfilled divots, in my opinion.

If you're going to say play it as it lies, make that the case in all circumstances. You've always got the option of an unplayable.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:56 PM

It's silly that they have some rules in place to make the game fair and then glaring omissions like balls in unfilled divots, in my opinion.

 

I don't know. I've always found the rules to work well. They've been designed to take out any grey areas. So something like a rule related to an unfilled divot could very easily be abused by players claiming every little hole they see is a divot. 

 

Personally I don't believe there was anything wrong with the rules or that they needed "modernisation". However, I understand why this is being looked at and am interested to see what changes make it through. 

 

Off the top of my head, I don't have issue with the changes relating to the putting green. Let players fix all marks, spike marks included on the line of play and let them touch the line. And also allowing them to putt with the flag still in the hole at all times. But some of the other ones, like dropping the ball from any height (including 1 inch off the ground) i don't like. That rule i feel you may as well just get rid of drops and let players place the ball when taking a drop.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:40 AM

 like dropping the ball from any height (including 1 inch off the ground) i don't like. That rule i feel you may as well just get rid of drops and let players place the ball when taking a drop.

Placing guarantees you can put it on the nearby worm cast or tuft of grass. Even 1" gives the chance of the result not being perfect.



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 05:54 AM

Placing guarantees you can put it on the nearby worm cast or tuft of grass. Even 1" gives the chance of the result not being perfect.


Oh I agree. But if the goal is to ensure a perfect lie can't always be achieved. Don't bother changing the rule.

This proposed change becomes even more finicky which is why I suggested introducing placing if you want to change things.

But perhaps placing is too extreme. Maybe the rule should just be drop above waist height, which gives a nice buffer for wear the ball can be released from.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 06:22 AM

I think one reason for the low height is dropping in a bunker. I don't think there was any intention to produce a perfect lie, just not a bad one.






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