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#31 Itchy4Scratch

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 03:58 PM

Gap wedge draw would have overcome this obstacle.

Not when the stake is so close to you



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:15 PM

Had this one come up yesterday. Playing partner was about 6 inches inside the hazard, stake was directly in his line about 2 feet in front of him. 
Our course has declared the stakes to be immovable obstructions and so therefore he was not entitled to free relief and had to chip out sideways. 
Seemed extremely stiff to me considering the stakes are easily removable, and it made us all question why any golf club would have this local rule in place considering the negative implications it can have.

Tough shite. He hit it into the hazard and should be penalised.
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:52 PM

Tough shite. He hit it into the hazard and should be penalised.


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#34 Itchy4Scratch

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:59 PM

Tough shite. He hit it into the hazard and should be penalised.


That, or ask the club why they have the local rule instead of just leaving them as moveable obstructions as they are in the rules if golf.
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 07:46 PM

That, or ask the club why they have the local rule instead of just leaving them as moveable obstructions as they are in the rules if golf.

The Rules allow for them to be declared Immovable.

 

The reasoning is that if players move them there is a good chance they will not be replaced properly (or at all).


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 09:55 PM

That, or ask the club why they have the local rule instead of just leaving them as moveable obstructions as they are in the rules if golf.

That has already been explained in previous posts.If the ball is in the hazard then the player is entitled to relief with penalty if he cannot play the ball as it lies. Simple really.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:42 AM

That has already been explained in previous posts.If the ball is in the hazard then the player is entitled to relief with penalty if he cannot play the ball as it lies. Simple really.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:45 AM

The Rules allow for them to be declared Immovable.

The reasoning is that if players move them there is a good chance they will not be replaced properly (or at all).

Seems pretty dodgy reasoning, its not like players forget to put the flagstick back in after they take it out.

And if you were worried about that happening you would paint the lines instead if using stakes.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:23 AM

1) Seems pretty dodgy reasoning, its not like players forget to put the flagstick back in after they take it out.

2) And if you were worried about that happening you would paint the lines instead if using stakes.

1) Don't you believe it. But most are not put back through laziness or they are 'sort of' put back but not securely in the hole.

 

2) In the long term, line cost more in labour and materials than stakes.

 

But lines are generally better for players and referees.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:08 PM

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:33 PM

All of our stakes and ropes are immoveable obstructions according to our local rule.  People routinely assume that because they are easily moved then you are entitled to move them, not that it makes very much difference except in the situation that Itchy indicated.


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:02 AM

All of our stakes and ropes are immoveable obstructions according to our local rule.  People routinely assume that because they are easily moved then you are entitled to move them, not that it makes very much difference except in the situation that Itchy indicated.

I think the Local Rule of should be reviewed.
Obviously the Hazard stake situation introduces an element of a lottery and unfairness.
The fewer Obstructions whether movable or immovable was the better. If they have to be in some place make sure that they are placed so Play is not regularly compromised.
The game is hit the ball walk up to it to leave it where it lies and hit it next stroke.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 02:49 PM

I think the Local Rule of should be reviewed.
Obviously the Hazard stake situation introduces an element of a lottery and unfairness.
The fewer Obstructions whether movable or immovable was the better. If they have to be in some place make sure that they are placed so Play is not regularly compromised.
The game is hit the ball walk up to it to leave it where it lies and hit it next stroke.

Sounds simple. :D

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