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#31 Deege

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 09:55 AM

I am for it, and totally against having a plebiscite about it.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 09:56 AM

Initially, 5 years and more ago, I would have been against gay marriage.

Not because I am anti gay, but because I really did think that marriage is between a man and a woman.

After the past several years of listening to arguments from both sides, both sensible and not, I would now vote yes to gay marriage.

It is not my right to try to enforce my beliefs on a topic that has not business of mine.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 10:07 AM

The best reason for not allowing it came from a sporty type female friend who surprised me by saying she was against it. I asked why and she said, "I play women's cricket. Can you imagine how many lesbian weddings I'll have to go to?"


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 10:38 AM

I think most of the issue is actually caused by the word itself ..... "marriage".

 

Has the M word, been "patented" by religion .... or is it open to use by those non religious sectors of the community, eg the civil sector who view it slightly differently, and in a more "one size fits all" kind of a way.

 

Does marriage, as a word ..... need to be once and for all clearly defined, or have the definition updated in order to satisfy both sides of the debate?

 

Religious people will stick to the "marriage is a union between man and woman" interpretation.

 

Those non religious types opposed to gaay marriage will more than likely use the religious definition as their argument, lest they be seen to actually be discriminating against the LGB community.

 

Others who have a broader scope of the term marriage, eg "a union between two people" will say what's all the fuss about?

 

I think before the debate can truly begin, there needs to be clarity on exactly what the word marriage means.

 

As for my own views on the subject ....... there is way too much hate and anger in the world, and if anyone can find love and be happy with someone else, then no-one should stand in their way.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 10:43 AM

We didn't have to have a plebiscite when Howard changed the Marriage Act to suit his beliefs. Holding a plebiscite (non binding might I add) is just an expensive political stunt so the Libs can appear to be doing the right thing without pissing off the nutters like Bernardi and the ACL who have the party by the balls. 






 


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 11:44 AM

We Australians think we're such a progressive country and then this debate happens and shows how backwards and prehistoric we are. Jesus, even new Zealand is years ahead of us


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 11:52 AM

Marriage is irrelevant.

If you live together for awhile, you legally have shared property rights, married or not.
If you are married, separate and have a property settlement, that's the end of it even if you are not divorced.

Centrelink (the government's eye into all our personal details) are only concerned with who you are living with, not whether you are married to anybody.

Marriage is just a social formality.
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:08 PM

Marriage is irrelevant.

If you live together for awhile, you legally have shared property rights, married or not.
If you are married, separate and have a property settlement, that's the end of it even if you are not divorced.

Centrelink (the government's eye into all our personal details) are only concerned with who you are living with, not whether you are married to anybody.

Marriage is just a social formality.

That's all good and well from a legal bureaucratic point of view, but I'd imagine that there'd be an amount of couples who get married now for the emotional, loving reasons, legal and social formalities very much aside.
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:15 PM

That's all good and well from a legal bureaucratic point of view, but I'd imagine that there'd be an amount of couples who get married now for the emotional, loving reasons, legal and social formalities very much aside.


You could be right there, Bumpy. Emotion might have some involvement.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:27 PM

As would the chance for a new frock .......... just sayin!! :D


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:56 PM

That's all good and well from a legal bureaucratic point of view, but I'd imagine that there'd be an amount of couples who get married now for the emotional, loving reasons, legal and social formalities very much aside.

What's wrong with a civil union?

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 01:02 PM

What's wrong with a civil union?

I wasn't differentiating either in that case. If anything I was more focusing on the current man and woman marriage business.
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 01:12 PM

As someone who's political views are extremely conservative I was always against g..ay marriage.

 

I have done a total back flip and think they should be allowed to get married.

 

Just vote it through the parliament and be done with it.

 

I am with The Donald with the point he made about some people who are for g..ay marriage. The hate and anger some of them direct at people who are not for it is hypercritical and disgraceful. We all opinion but let the government decide and live with whatever the outcome is.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 01:15 PM

Marriage is just a social formality.

 

Tell that to two people who love each other, you insensitive muppet.

 

Straight, G..ay or bi.



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Posted 22 August 2016 - 07:50 PM

 really

 

our foreign debt is climbing to record levels, our country is in big trouble with governments overspending.

we need urgent tax reform and business reform and make governments more accountable. our social secuity is a mess, our hospitals and schools need funding.

 

our businesses are being sold off to overseas investors and industries like dairy industry in trouble. 

there is growing security risks from terrorism.

 

Is this the biggest issue in Australia that the government and opposition should be focusing  its time, effort and our money on.

 

Our government needs to make some hard decisions on our future not get distractions on what is essentially a social conscious issue for a minority.


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