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#31 Big Bopper

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Posted 31 October 2016 - 10:29 AM

Out past the Ball

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Posted 31 October 2016 - 11:20 AM

Out past the Ball

Hell no that is the most common cause for shanking. The correct path of the hands during the downswing is the narrowest path back to their address position. This path for most of us is just in front of the toe line. Don't forget that the clubhead follows and trails behind the hands while the wrist angle is retained (clubhead lag) and moves outside the hands towards the ball as the wrist lose their angle.

A stuck trail elbow acts like a brake on the wrists and club handle and widens the angle prematurely in amateur swings. Tour pros find a way around it through talent.
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Posted 31 October 2016 - 11:54 AM

Everything sounds find ...but your narrow analogy is a recipe for stuck

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Posted 31 October 2016 - 01:10 PM

Everything sounds find ...but your narrow analogy is a recipe for stuck

Not with transverse adduction and external rotation of the right shoulder. If a player doesn't incorporate both elements in the backswing he/she will struggle including them in the downswing without making adjustments. That is why the forearms need to rotate counter clockwise in the takeaway with the trail elbow being forced inside and down. The right arm feels like it is rotating clockwise with the palm facing down. The left arm controls the swing with the palm upwards in the takeaway. The wrists need to return through this position coming into impact.
Does that make sense?
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Posted 31 October 2016 - 08:50 PM

I always loved Abe's info with counter wound hands and pressuring the target line with the body. I also feel all modern teaching has been influenced by his one single book.Even Hogan liked it and so did the scurrying field mice in the left rough

But as we know,amateurs need more.Why the new theory of swinging hands out is very popular in modern work.While applying the counterwound hands.The out principle prevents a pull down and insures the shaft will shallow.Try it your self..the weight of the club and the hand intention will allow the shaft to lay down.The more out one goes towards the ball the less stuck one gets

Called ott from the inside.Very similar to a Sam Snead move

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Posted 31 October 2016 - 09:28 PM

I don't experiment with the swing these days. No need, the stuff I have worked on works and is now automatic.

One of the lads I mentioned previously is now in his second year on the USPGA tour and is spending more time in the US. One of the others has left the club and has decided to become a social golfer.

I only post on here to keep my mind active and is a means to personally reinforce the elements in my swing. If it helps others it is all good. If it confuses some, then please don't let my words bugger up what you have got.
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Posted 01 November 2016 - 07:44 AM

http://www.pga.org.a...life-at-the-top
Notice the open clubface at the finish of Cameron's swing. The left wrist is fully extended back on the forearm with the right wrist fully flexed (both working in a sideways palm to palm direction).

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 08:44 PM

@razaar ok,I tried this a swing and I was surprisingly happy.A very noticeable drop of the club in transition from an extreme steep backswing.Very valid method, but also Leary

In your estimation,,(or any other long term a swingers) what would be a fault that this method would create? Would it lead to over inside out and possible push or over hooks?

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 10:02 PM

I am not interested in the A-swing. It is a lift and turn takeaway (think of a woman with big breasts) which can get too flat at the top. The cure for that fault is to turn and lift. The problem all golfers have is with exaggerating movements. A slight exaggeration can ruin a swing, something the player is not aware of.

That is why it is important to understand everything about your swing and learn to be aware of what you are actually doing rather than what you think you are doing. It takes years of devoted work to reach that stage. Anything else is speculation and guess work.

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 10:22 AM

Well said sir . Well said

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 02:02 PM

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 06:00 PM

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:22 PM

After doing this A Swing for a week I see benefits.For big ott golfers this backswing really forces one to shallow.The biggest issue is the excessive In to out motion it creates.On my launch monitor I'm usually 4 to 8 degrees from the inside.This motion would make me 10 to a high of 18 at moments.Only options were big pushes or a huge push draw.Can see this causing many issues for some but good for others

Reminds me of Donald Trump

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 10:08 PM

After doing this A Swing for a week I see benefits.For big ott golfers this backswing really forces one to shallow.The biggest issue is the excessive In to out motion it creates.On my launch monitor I'm usually 4 to 8 degrees from the inside.This motion would make me 10 to a high of 18 at moments.Only options were big pushes or a huge push draw.Can see this causing many issues for some but good for others
Reminds me of Donald Trump

BB, have you read Search for the Perfect Swing by Cochran & Stobbs (1968 and revisited in 2005)? It is a scientific study into the game commissioned by The Golf Society of Great Britain in the early 1960's to advance the game.

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 10:45 PM

Apart from the takeaway and pivots, the rest is a similar action to what Hogan did in his hey day. Hogan had a weaker left hand grip but the wrists rolled open on the backswing. He then supinated the left wrist early in the downswing and opened the clubface past impact with a pronated left wrist.

Hogan's left arm at the top of the backswing was parallel with the lie angle of the shaft at address, which required him to have some arm lift in the upswing. The A-Swing has the arm plane under the trail shoulder which means to me that the arm must cease lifting early in the upswing. If it is not lifting, then what is it doing? Getting further behind with a wide open clubface is my guess. A good player may be able to recover from such a flat arm/club position, but the average Joe will more than likely push the target arm with the trail shoulder because he hasn't got the pelvis/spine fundamentals to power the swing from the inside.

To really see the body action of the A- swing as performed by Lydia Ko compared to a lower action by Jenny Shin (who is smaller than Lydia) have a look at their swings on you-tube. Lydia had a similar body rotation technique to Jenny before this A-Swing change. Jenny is one of the longer drivers on the tour despite being quite small.

Edited by razaar, 08 November 2016 - 10:48 PM.





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