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#31 SteveH115

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 12:18 PM

Steve, I don't understand most of what is written in this thread and am nowhere near your golfing ability but I have had a similar problem.

Mine came from trying squeeze too much distance out of my wedges. As I was attempting to hit them further I was unknowingly increasing the angle of attack at the ball.

Big divots and short landings all over the place. I readjusted my wedge distance expectations and found I hit the ball with better tempo and contact.

Winter turf conditions exacerbated the issue. Not sure that helps you but was my problem.

I have to admit, most of the suggestions have gone straight over my head.

 

I don't think the issue is trying to squeeze too much distance out, as the heavy shots tend to come when I am trying to hit a nice smooth swing with a wedge.

 

I think Madam may be on the right track with slowing down on the downswing.  I will watch the video tonight when I get home and see if that offers some solutions.


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Posted 31 May 2016 - 12:43 PM

I think you should get OB to sign off on the plan first.

He's seen you play...and he is the master instructor.
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Posted 31 May 2016 - 12:53 PM

Just a thought - from a complete hacker, so feel free to ignore it. Have you tried looking at the front of the ball instead of the back of the ball? Moving the focal point of the eyes forward is something Clampett discusses in The Impact Zone to stop this sort of problem. Maybe someone with more ability and experience could tell me if I'm right or wrong with this approach? Works for me with wedges. Sometimes.
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Posted 31 May 2016 - 01:25 PM

I think you should get OB to sign off on the plan first.

He's seen you play...and he is the master instructor.

Its a shame that he isn't playing on Sunday so that we could move divots around and see where the best position for them would be.


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Posted 31 May 2016 - 02:49 PM

I think you should get OB to sign off on the plan first.

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 03:36 PM

Okay here's another 2 cents worth that you can either convert into gold sovereigns, or throw out onto the hard rubbish collection ........

 

Take a shorter backswing.

 

The reason being ....... that from 60m out, that is probably going to be less than a full swing, in which case I'm predicting you are still taking it back a long way, and then finding you have to slow things down (losing the lag that razaar spoke of).

 

If you aren't hitting them fat with your other shots, then its likely that rather than a technical issue ....... you are just going easy on them and losing your rhythm and tempo.(It's Mabo, its the vibe).

 

I'd just take a bit "less of a backswing" than you think you need for the shot, and then go for it, and see if that solves your fat issues ....... so to speak.

 

It's all in the timing though so focus on keeping everything in sync when you swing.

 

Hope this helps ....... :)


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Posted 31 May 2016 - 03:41 PM

The deceleration is a huge one for me but I find I do that more on short chips (10 - 30m) and chunk or slide underneath it depending on the ground.


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Posted 31 May 2016 - 05:23 PM

I think you should get OB to sign off on the plan first.
He's seen you play...and he is the master instructor.

I can't remember that far back!

Its a shame that he isn't playing on Sunday so that we could move divots around and see where the best position for them would be.


Move your own bloody divots!

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 12:26 AM

I have had an issue lately where shots from around 60m to 100m I have been catching them heavy most of the time. When it happens, the shot still goes roughly 75% of the distance, so its not like I am hitting a foot behind the ball. I feel as though I make reasonable contact, but I may be a cm or so just behind the ball.

Would a likely fix be something as simple as putting the ball further back in my stance, or are there other things that I should be looking at?

Keep things simple is the easy solution.
Wedges to get more spin brush the grass, then the ball stays on the face longer. Take a divot, too steep, ball stays on the face for less time, no spin.
Your issue is simple, deceleration of arms too early. To fix is simple. Get a blow up beach ball the size of a basket ball. Place ball between your elbows, hit shots from hip high back swing, hip high follow through. Your main focus or thought is to accelerate your shoulders as fast as possible. Forget about the arms. What the beach ball does is teach you connection of the arms and shoulders. In short wedges the shoulders are the power source and are easier to control speed with than the arms. The beach ball keeps your arms stiffer and reduce arm rotation to keep a squarer club face. The ball teaches you the right amount of wrist hinge and bent right elbow. Also what I love about this method far more consistent power control for distances.
I recommend 10 balls with ball and 10 with out.This action will feel weird at first although stick with it and you'll be knocking the flag out in no time.
One more drill once mastered above, is try hitting up slightly on the ball. To do this just try and swing your hands upwards slightly coming into impact along your swing path.Because the wedges are heavier when we hit down the force is greater pulling our hands downward more than normal irons, we have to resist this force. So by trying to hit up slightly will combat the issue of the hands being pulled downward and resolve the hitting fat issue.
Hope this helps.

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 12:34 AM

There was guy named Gerry Hogan - I think - who wrote a book and talked about - I think - keeping the watch face pointing to the sky as long as you can in your downswing until nature forces the hands to rotate through
Is that his feel for maintaining external rotation Raz?

Weeti, did I mention during one of our discussions that I had a discussion with Gerry a few years back about his book (published 1992). My main question was where he got his ideas from to write the book and if a young John Senden was the model for for several swing photos.

He said that long driving champion Gary Wise (a lefty) was his main source for the ideas which he framed the book on. Send was the model in his book. He was a trainee under Ian Triggs at the time when Triggsy, moved across to Indroopilly GC (1991). Bit of trivia for you.☺

To answer your question about his book and RS external rotation, he covers it in his chapter "The Drop into the Slot". The section under " Method" where he describes the two handed karate chop towards the inside of the ball with the elbow forced into the side, is a description of RS external rotation.
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Posted 01 June 2016 - 06:53 AM

No Raz - I hadn't heard that story before. Very cool.

Do you like his approach to dropping into the slot with that karate motion and keeping the watch face on your left wrist pointing towards the sky for as long as possible?

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 07:48 AM

Keep things simple is the easy solution.
Wedges to get more spin brush the grass, then the ball stays on the face longer. Take a divot, too steep, ball stays on he face for less time, no spin. 

 

I find the reverse. Don't ask me why as I have no idea but if I sweep the grass on a wedge\chip\pitch it runs out a lot.

 

If I pinch it\take a divot then depending on the swing or the green itself it will either sit on a dime or come back at me.

 

My guess is because I do play it 1 ball back of centre (or so I think I am) and I tend to come down on it steeper.


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Posted 01 June 2016 - 07:57 AM

I gave up on learning movements described like this 20+ years ago Weeti. It is a hit and miss way to learn golf. There is not enough info for mine.

The downswing happens in the blink of an eye, so there isn't time to think of positions. It needs to be automatic where one movement leads into another and we have an awareness of what occurred.

Keeping the watch face pointing to the sky will only work with a very strong top hand grip. A three to four knuckle grip has the watch face in this position at address. This setup doesn't allow freedom to rotate the forearm clockwise and open the clubface. There is lots of freedom to shut the clubface. It won't work with a weak top hand grip which allows freedom to open the clubface. Can you see where this is leading?

Popular golf instruction has a strong grip causing hooks and a weak grip causing slices. I guess the assumption here is that we all flip or flip roll the clubface through impact.

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 09:17 AM

Razaar - thanks for the idea of holding the right shoulder ER for as long as possible in downswing. Tried this at range this morning and I think it's a good swing thought for me. Felt I was eliminating a bit of my dreaded cast and helping me a wee bit better body rotation in downswing. Ball flight was higher, same or more distance, contact felt improved.
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Posted 01 June 2016 - 09:25 AM

Razaar - thanks for the idea of holding the right shoulder ER for as long as possible in downswing. Tried this at range this morning and I think it's a good swing thought for me. Felt I was eliminating a bit of my dreaded cast and helping me a wee bit better body rotation in downswing. Ball flight was higher, same or more distance, contact felt improved.

You are welcome. Make sure to include it in the rest of your game. Players who struggle with ER in putting usually need to change to other putting styles where ER is not an issue.




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