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#1 SteveH115

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 10:37 AM

I have had an issue lately where shots from around 60m to 100m I have been catching them heavy most of the time.  When it happens, the shot still goes roughly 75% of the distance, so its not like I am hitting a foot behind the ball.  I feel as though I make reasonable contact, but I may be a cm or so just behind the ball.

 

Would a likely fix be something as simple as putting the ball further back in my stance, or are there other things that I should be looking at?



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Posted 30 May 2016 - 11:13 AM

Your issue with fat shots relates to losing lag early and allowing the clubhead to pass the hands before impact. This puts the low point in the swing behind the ball when it needs to be in front of the ball.

There are many things that can cause this, usually a combination or cluster of movements. Golf is a perverse game where movements we need in our long game will cause issues in our short game. For instance we need to keep our rear shoulder high in the short game were it needs to drop in the long game.

To keep lag in the short game we can't allow the rear shoulder to internally rotate during the downswing. It needs to remain externally rotated (rotated) away from the target until just past impact. This allows the rear elbow to stay ahead of the hands approaching impact (which is how we hold lag). The cause is the usual culprit of pulling down with the arms instead of powering the arms by body rotation.
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Posted 30 May 2016 - 11:22 AM

I found that if I put the ball back 1 or 1.5 balls in the stance I do catch them perfectly and get the desired distance. May not work for you but what helped me.

Down side is I found it imparted a lot more spin on the ball and either caught and stuck or on hard fast greens would come back.


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 11:25 AM

Barnesy uses a chipper....


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 11:50 AM

Barnesy uses a chipper....

I thought you also needed gender reassignment surgery to use one of those.


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 11:52 AM

I thought you also needed gender reassignment surgery to use one of those.

no reassignment required on his part...his mangina is fully tucked.


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 01:34 PM

I have had an issue lately where shots from around 60m to 100m I have been catching them heavy most of the time.  When it happens, the shot still goes roughly 75% of the distance, so its not like I am hitting a foot behind the ball.  I feel as though I make reasonable contact, but I may be a cm or so just behind the ball.

 

Would a likely fix be something as simple as putting the ball further back in my stance, or are there other things that I should be looking at?

 

Apart from moving your ball back, which might encourage a steeper shot in compensation, you could try moving your divot forward.


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 03:20 PM

Apart from moving your ball back, which might encourage a steeper shot in compensation, you could try moving your divot forward.


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 03:32 PM

I can't claim that as an original idea.

But it works.

 

Now all I have to do is work out why I keep hitting mine thin, particularly the 52°.  PW works fine.  They're the same weight, swing weight, length, grip size.  Just brain failure.



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Posted 30 May 2016 - 03:41 PM

Apart from moving your ball back, which might encourage a steeper shot in compensation, you could try moving your divot forward.

How soon after I hit the ball should I move the divot forward?  Does moving the divot fool the ball mid flight into thinking it has been hit properly and therefore make it go the correct distance?


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Posted 30 May 2016 - 03:55 PM

How soon after I hit the ball should I move the divot forward?  Does moving the divot fool the ball mid flight into thinking it has been hit properly and therefore make it go the correct distance?

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 04:30 PM

How soon after I hit the ball should I move the divot forward?  Does moving the divot fool the ball mid flight into thinking it has been hit properly and therefore make it go the correct distance?

Haha..it is the internal rotation of the right shoulder that fools us into thinking we have made good contact. If we hit the ball and the ground together then the resistance of the ground kills the clubhead but we are fooled by the strike. Internal rotation of the right shoulder is the most powerful move in our downswing because whatever power we have left feeds directly into the club. Holding RSIR until impact releases the club past the hands after impact. There is not the same feeling of power but the ball flight tells a different story.

Once we start hitting with the hands we ruin the shot. Most people instinctively hit with the hands because they think it adds power.

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 06:04 PM

So holding the right shoulder externally rotated as long as you can provides power?

Is there any likely issue if you try and hold the right shoulder out as long as possible? Will you get an open faced weak shot because you never get to internal rotation or is that physically impossible - the body will internally rotate it because it has to?

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

There was guy named Gerry Hogan - I think - who wrote a book and talked about - I think - keeping the watch face pointing to the sky as long as you can in your downswing until nature forces the hands to rotate through

Is that his feel for maintaining external rotation Raz?

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 06:25 PM

So holding the right shoulder externally rotated as long as you can provides power?

Is there a inking issue if you try and hold the right shoulder out as long as possible? Will you get an open faced weak shot because you never get to internal rotation or is that physically impossible - the body will interbank rotate it because it has to?

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