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#1 Stinkler

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:50 AM

Ok, can people explain to me why some have the length of iron plus 1 or more inches? What are the benefits, or reasons why someone should not play 'standard' length? I'm a little confused as it's hardly like fitting a shoe, as a shoe is too big or small. Iron length seems tied to theory rather than an actual fit. After all 'standard' is just an arbitrary man made length! Please explain your theories oh club fitters.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:32 AM

Club fitters need to make a living too!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:33 AM

Ill venture a response. It's a standard but it isn't. There are understood industry norms, but not a policed standard. Each manufacturer has slightly different specs so when you get measured, its relative to your set. You can only adjust loft and lie so much to cater for flatter/steeper swings. Someone may need a 7deg flatter lie to adjust for short arse syndrome and flat swing so cutting the shaft length would mean a less radical lie change. Some goes for + lie changes, lengthen the shaft and you won't have to adjust the lie so much. Could be completely off base though?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:44 AM

Mine are plus one because my arms are short and I am 6"3' tall. Also play at 2deg upright so I don't have to stoop over too much.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:10 AM

Mine are plus one because my arms are short and I am 6”3’ tall. Also play at 2deg upright so I don’t have to stoop over too much.

Why not just have the ball closer? Why have longer clubs? Does the club have to be at a certain angle? What's the best angle? What's the best distance from ball? Get what I mean? If you can still hit your 9i well, why is it your 9i is as long as Ghettos 6i?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:13 AM

Also, can you change your swing to the club more rather than change the club? Can you learn to hit a club set up flat, is it also what you're used to?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:19 AM

So people say length is more important to your swing. I agree that all lengths seem to be able to get it in the hole. Does ones length change the amount of strokes. Can you get it into the hole better with longer shafts? I find my length gets me there just fine :)

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:35 AM

In simplistic terms Stink they measure the distance your hands are from the ground when taking your stance. If you tilt more at the hips, shorter clubs, less tilt longer clubs. A very tall golfer with extreme tilt could play standard length clubs but it would likely be an unnatural position and vice versa a shorter player that has almost no tilt could play longer clubs. The aim is obviously to have the sole of the club square on the ground. If your clubs are too long for your stance the club sole will have to be toe up and you will have to stand further from the ball and obviously vice versa. Hope that makes sense, if your clubs don't fit you will have to make compromises which most amateurs with off the rack purchases do.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:46 AM

Mine are longer because my previous set were longer and I'm used to using longer clubs.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:49 AM

Solve all the issues by having them all the same length and lie, and just change the lofts. I know; already been done : )

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:34 AM

Why not just have the ball closer? Why have longer clubs? Does the club have to be at a certain angle? What’s the best angle? What’s the best distance from ball?

Get what I mean? If you can still hit your 9i well, why is it your 9i is as long as Ghettos 6i?

Because if my 6i was as short as his, I'd have to play my wedges on my knees to be able to reach them. Cheers, Ben

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:38 AM

Solve all the issues by having them all the same length and lie, and just change the lofts.

I know; already been done : )

Nine out of ten people believe that out of ten people, one person will always disagree with the other nine!

And nobody played them, so there's something about it!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

I'm thinking that golf is a power game. So you would choose the longest shafts you could play with, all things being equal... ... but all things are not equal. With a wedge power is less important than accuracy so you go shorter with the shaft. With the long irons though it's about getting it to the green so you go longer. As for why you change length for different golfers I expect that over the centuries it's been worked out that there is a range within which people swing better - not too vertical, not too bent over. So you adjust the clubs to suit. Doesn't mean there aren't tall people who play shorter shafts and shorter playing longer, just because that works better for them.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:44 AM

Solve all the issues by having them all the same length and lie, and just change the lofts.

I know; already been done : )

Nine out of ten people believe that out of ten people, one person will always disagree with the other nine!

And nobody played them, so there’s something about it!

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Yep apparently they're rubbish : ) I remember reading somewhere that they're very bunched distance wise and not very good for distance control with the more lofted irons? They did make me think about the relationship between length of shaft and the lie of the club. I came to the conclusion that for me I could use just about any length of shaft as long as the lies were adjusted appropriately.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:56 AM

Why not just have the ball closer? Why have longer clubs? Does the club have to be at a certain angle? What’s the best angle? What’s the best distance from ball?

Get what I mean? If you can still hit your 9i well, why is it your 9i is as long as Ghettos 6i?

Because if my 6i was as short as his, I’d have to play my wedges on my knees to be able to reach them.

Cheers,
Ben

Your legs are only 1 inch long from the knees down? But you're 6ft 3? With short arms! Man, you must be one strange looking dude!!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

Ok, can people explain to me why some have the length of iron plus 1 or more inches?

What are the benefits, or reasons why someone should not play ‘standard’ length?

I’m a little confused as it’s hardly like fitting a shoe, as a shoe is too big or small. Iron length seems tied to theory rather than an actual fit. After all ‘standard’ is just an arbitrary man made length!

Please explain your theories oh club fitters.

What is this golf game you talk of?

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

I will answer the question in your Stinkler thread, once I get some background info on your Mizuno fitting, who, how, where and when. Jon...

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

I don't want it to be person specific Jon, don't want to go the popcorn path. I just want an understanding of why some decisions are made re club length. So far all the non fitter answers are just rhetoric, people have no more idea than I do, just guessing. I'd love you just to give some unnamed examples of why someone might be an inch over, and not just because they have short arms. Also, when do you make a choice to fit the club to the person rather than perhaps improve the action? BYW; I've no doubt my fitting was fine, I've just changed some things and learnt a lot, so might be change time for me as my swing has flattened out. Still do t know how shaft length may relate to flatter or upright adding plane, or does it? Keen to learn!!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:40 PM

Yeah, I have been called a strange looking dude many a times. In honesty the only thing not in proportion to me might be the large mass hanging out the front (my stomach that is!). I prefer my irons 1" longer plus 2 deg upright for 2 simple reasons - I find them comfortable to use, and it produces the best results. I remember when I got fit, it was all related to where I stood in relation to the ball, what plane my shoulders rotated on (how upright I stood), and the impact tape on the sole. Sorry I can't be more scientific, but as a 20 capper, it's highly likely I'd be talking out my a*se!! Cheers, Ben

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

That's cool Ben, that all makes sense to me, I understand comfort re length. The thing for me is working out; " when do you make a choice to fit the club to the person rather than perhaps improve the action?" (Not saying that you need to improve your action, this is a generalised comment, not aimed at an individual.) It's a bit like the old flat vs upright lie issue. Someone like Brad will tie his club set up into his teaching theories. Should the student/player be made aware of why and how their clubs are set up and the future aim of their improvement in relation to the set up? I know when I hit GolfSavvy's very flat irons no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't hit them left, but with the same action my irons would start straight and hook heaps as they are 4 upright. My action has improved and I regularly hit my irons left with a draw. Now when I miss with this shot I register that the swing "didn't work", but maybe now that is my better shot and it's the iron set up that is no good yeah? I don't know how much club length influences the lie angle or club head speed etc, really, how much difference can 1" actually make? Maybe the question should be more "how often should you get a club fit?" After all, if you're working at your game it will change.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

That’s cool Ben, that all makes sense to me, I understand comfort re length.

The thing for me is working out; ” when do you make a choice to fit the club to the person rather than perhaps improve the action?”

(Not saying that you need to improve your action, this is a generalised comment, not aimed at an individual.)

It’s a bit like the old flat vs upright lie issue. Someone like Brad will tie his club set up into his teaching theories. Should the student/player be made aware of why and how their clubs are set up and the future aim of their improvement in relation to the set up?

I know when I hit GolfSavvy’s very flat irons no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t hit them left, but with the same action my irons would start straight and hook heaps as they are 4 upright.

My action has improved and I regularly hit my irons left with a draw. Now when I miss with this shot I register that the swing “didn’t work”, but maybe now that is my better shot and it’s the iron set up that is no good yeah?

I don’t know how much club length influences the lie angle or club head speed etc, really, how much difference can 1” actually make?

Maybe the question should be more “how often should you get a club fit?” After all, if you’re working at your game it will change.

What is this golf game you talk of?

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Stink just take you clubs down to Total Golf and hit mizyno's against Honma's and see what flight is like. You will learn more from a fitting session like that talking specifically about your clubs with someone of Golfguys knowledge than you will ever learn on a golf forum.




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