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#1 Tango67

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

Well first off it's disappointing to see that a legitimate thread that I started and had some good feedback on gets hijacked by personal slanting matches and then gets locked by the admin? I am all for free speech and I'm also supportive of moderating the posting of people when they just wan to cause trouble. Mods if yo had of controlled the situation in the first place it would never have gotten to the state t did, maybe the originator of the thread should be able to control the direction of it? I for one like what Zen has to say, I have not seen it nor used it but I am interested as I am with most on this forum. For those people that don't agree with someone or something by all means express your view then leave it, if you still disagree then move to another thread. Anyway back to my swing issues, I finally learnt and can trust a swing rather than a hit, i had a great range session yesterday concentrating on swing with my feet together, this helped my body sequencing and really slowed my tempo. Anyway after struggling for the first few holes with 2 doubles I settled down and started to trust it and had a nice patch of golf before another double on 12. Finessed with 82 including the 3 doubles but felt I started to really swing the club head. Another round today to see if I can get a low number.... Thanks guys

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

Well first off it’s disappointing to see that a legitimate thread that I started and had some good feedback on gets hijacked by personal slanting matches and then gets locked by the admin?

I am all for free speech and I’m also supportive of moderating the posting of people when they just wan to cause trouble.

Mods if yo had of controlled the situation in the first place it would never have gotten to the state t did, maybe the originator of the thread should be able to control the direction of it?

I for one like what Zen has to say, I have not seen it nor used it but I am interested as I am with most on this forum. For those people that don’t agree with someone or something by all means express your view then leave it, if you still disagree then move to another thread.

Anyway back to my swing issues, I finally learnt and can trust a swing rather than a hit, i had a great range session yesterday concentrating on swing with my feet together, this helped my body sequencing and really slowed my tempo.

Anyway after struggling for the first few holes with 2 doubles I settled down and started to trust it and had a nice patch of golf before another double on 12. Finessed with 82 including the 3 doubles but felt I started to really swing the club head.

Another round today to see if I can get a low number…. Thanks guys

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

Tango No comment from me. I'm a low life and a coward according to Zen. But then again he dosn't resort to personal attacks,unless you disagree with him,or differ from his data. Zen Please tell us again how you fixed Norman and Sampras,allowing them to make it to the top. I can't understand how you did it at 6yrs of age:)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:07 AM

Well first off it’s disappointing to see that a legitimate thread that I started and had some good feedback on gets hijacked by personal slanting matches and then gets locked by the admin?

I am all for free speech and I’m also supportive of moderating the posting of people when they just wan to cause trouble.

Mods if yo had of controlled the situation in the first place it would never have gotten to the state t did, maybe the originator of the thread should be able to control the direction of it?

I for one like what Zen has to say, I have not seen it nor used it but I am interested as I am with most on this forum. For those people that don’t agree with someone or something by all means express your view then leave it, if you still disagree then move to another thread.

Anyway back to my swing issues, I finally learnt and can trust a swing rather than a hit, i had a great range session yesterday concentrating on swing with my feet together, this helped my body sequencing and really slowed my tempo.

Anyway after struggling for the first few holes with 2 doubles I settled down and started to trust it and had a nice patch of golf before another double on 12. Finessed with 82 including the 3 doubles but felt I started to really swing the club head.

Another round today to see if I can get a low number…. Thanks guys

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

Tango
No comment from me.

I’m a low life and a coward according to Zen.

But then again he dosn’t resort to personal attacks,unless you disagree with him,or differ from his data.
Zen
Please tell us again how you fixed Norman and Sampras,allowing them to make it to the top.
I can’t understand how you did it at 6yrs of age:)

Before trying to be slanderous Anton you better get your facts right first. Pete Sampras isn't much older than I. Admin about time you did something please.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:58 AM

I for one like what Zen has to say, I have not seen it nor used it but I am interested
Tango why dont you just send zen an email, then you can take your chat off air kiwi

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:32 AM

Anton, Zen's never going to agree with you. Just give it a rest.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:33 AM

Kiwi thanks but I dont want to send personal emails I like to post on here and like most of the serious replys that we get.... Anton I never had N issue with you until now as you just hijacked this thread again, you say you have no comment only another attack on Zen.... Quite frankly I don't care who started it or who is write but I don't like the way you post and you are becoming annoying, why don't you just tone the scarcasm and the personal slanting down and people will listen to what you say... In the end we like to hear everyones opinion but not all the bullshit that is going on.... Why are the mods hiding under the mattress?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:34 AM

Razaar, I love your explanations - easy to understand your message. But how do I know if I'm doing it right? How do I know if the feeling I have is the right feeling?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:03 AM

Well I'm pleased to advise that I am officially a swinger and if only I hadn't have putted like a basket case I would have shot a good score... 21 putts on the front nine and turned in 40 including 3 x 3 putts and a 4 putt.... In fact I had 12 putts after 4 holes? Back nine was the same story came in in 41 with 19 putts.... 81 with 40 putts?... Ball striking was solid with 92% of fairways and 60% of GIR...... All this after spending 2 hrs on the putting and chipping green before the round.... Go figure? Anyway pleased with the ball striking and pleased to be a swinger.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:33 AM

Razaar explain by what you mean of turning under?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

Wasn't there a rule here that only the official teaching panelists were allowed to post teaching advice in the "ask a pro" forums? Back on topic, as I recall, TGM theory says that it is not possible to swing and hit at the same time. Is that still the theory (or was it ever the theory)?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:56 AM

Wasn’t there a rule here that only the official teaching panelists were allowed to post teaching advice in the “ask a pro” forums?

Back on topic, as I recall, TGM theory says that it is not possible to swing and hit at the same time. Is that still the theory (or was it ever the theory)?

The artist formerly known as Hermit from Hermit Park.
Slightly wounded and living in Forest Gardens near Cairns.

Wasn’t there a rule here that only the official teaching panelists were allowed to post teaching advice in the “ask a pro” forums? That was the idea behind separating the 'ask the pro' section and the 'playing the game section'.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:59 AM

Thanks Razaar

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:01 AM

Most spectators miss the left hand turning under at the start of the takeaway, which incidentally is how we want the left wrist to return through impact.
Rotating in what way? Rotating the forearm anti-clockwise so that the back of the left hand faces down? Or cocking the wrist so that the left hand is under, right hand on top? That could be difficult with the right elbow down. I know about the right elbow down, by the way. I'm more interested in the 'hard right side' and hitting into a 'hard left side'.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:06 AM

Wasn’t there a rule here that only the official teaching panelists were allowed to post teaching advice in the “ask a pro” forums?

Back on topic, as I recall, TGM theory says that it is not possible to swing and hit at the same time. Is that still the theory (or was it ever the theory)?

The artist formerly known as Hermit from Hermit Park.
Slightly wounded and living in Forest Gardens near Cairns.

Wasn’t there a rule here that only the official teaching panelists were allowed to post teaching advice in the “ask a pro” forums?

That was the idea behind separating the ‘ask the pro’ section and the ‘playing the game section’.

That was the idea behind separating the 'ask the pro' section and the 'playing the game' section. This section is reserved for helpful dialog between a professional coach and someone that has a question. Rules

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:10 AM

Kiwi thanks but I dont want to send personal emails I like to post on here and like most of the serious replys that we get….

Anton I never had N issue with you until now as you just hijacked this thread again, you say you have no comment only another attack on Zen…. Quite frankly I don’t care who started it or who is write but I don’t like the way you post and you are becoming annoying, why don’t you just tone the scarcasm and the personal slanting down and people will listen to what you say…

In the end we like to hear everyones opinion but not all the bullshit that is going on…. Why are the mods hiding under the mattress?

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:13 AM

Razaar explain by what you mean of turning under?

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
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Pull up a slow motion of Luke with the camera looking down the target from behind the player. There should be one on YouTube. I would attach one but I’m on the IPad.

Turning under has the palm of the left hand gradually facing upwards. This keeps the club outside the hands and tracking along the plane line during the takeaway. This and keeping the right elbow down gives width to the swing without swaying off the ball.

The man who hits at the ball rather than through it has no sense of rhythm.
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I'm busy watching Die Hard (yet again), so a delay in respose. Doesn't doing what you describe close the clubface? I thought that was a no - no.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:46 AM

That was the idea behind separating the ‘ask the pro’ section and the ‘playing the game’ section. This section is reserved for helpful dialog between a professional coach and someone that has a question.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

Fixed Forest.:)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

Well I’m pleased to advise that I am officially a swinger and if only I hadn’t have putted like a basket case I would have shot a good score…
21 putts on the front nine and turned in 40 including 3×3 putts and a 4 putt…. In fact I had 12 putts after 4 holes?
Back nine was the same story came in in 41 with 19 putts….

81 with 40 putts?...

Ball striking was solid with 92% of fairways and 60% of GIR…...

All this after spending 2 hrs on the putting and chipping green before the round…. Go figure?

Anyway pleased with the ball striking and pleased to be a swinger.

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

Tango, What did you do differently to swing be more passive with your right arm ? Sounds like speed control issue with your putting. When it comes to grain it always runs with the slope, find the highest point to lowest point. The grain will run to the lowest point. Up grain as you now is slower, down grain significantly fast. 90 degrees to the grain the ball breaks the most. A 5ft putt on a 2% sloped green you need to aim 3cm above the cup.(zero cm being the edge of the high side of the cup).On a faster green same putt will break 6cm. A steeper slope 3% a normal speed putt from 5 ft will break 13cm. as you get closer to the high and low point the less the putt breaks, 30 degrees the ball is inside the cup, 60 degrees 1 cm, 90 3cm. The longer the putt more it breaks on those angles 10ft, 30 degrees breaks 3cm, 60, 11cm, 90, breaks 17cm. To improve speed control start at 2ft and work out in 2 ft intervals. Place two ball markers in line 1ft apart. The first marker is the hole the second marker is the goal to stop the ball on it for correct speed. Your goal is to roll your ball over the first marker and stop it on the second marker. Practice working out to 20ft. once you master this keep on working back further. Holing speed is crucial, if it's not right you can never get your lines right. You will hit it through the break if too fast, too slow ball breaks under the hole.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:05 PM

That was the idea behind separating the ‘ask the pro’ section and the ‘playing the game’ section. This section is reserved for helpful dialog between a professional coach and someone that has a question.

Rules

Madam?

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Much has changed in past few months so not the case - its an area for members to discuss instruction.




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