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#1 Seekingadvice

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:18 AM

Can someone recommend a good fitter in Melbourne that does the fitting out on the practice fairway off grass. I am not interested in hitting off a mat into a net. Any suggestions and feedback most welcome

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:27 AM

I got fitting at Yarra Bend which is on the range, though not off grass. I was very happy with the process.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:23 AM

Where abouts? MGA Albert Park. Bryan Ferguson. He is also at Sunshine. I agree with the range requirement. But what does grass have to do with it. A great coach / fitter doesn't need to see a divot. But ideally, you should get fitted by the guy that will teach you.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:32 AM

Can someone recommend a good fitter in Melbourne that does the fitting out on the practice fairway off grass. I am not interested in hitting off a mat into a net.

Any suggestions and feedback most welcome

Why on Earth would you want to be fitted outdoors where the only feedback is ball flight? None of the club face angles, head speed, ball speed, spin rates, carry, roll, etc. Before technological advances enabled precision in the fitting process, it was all based on the ability of the fitter to imagine which variables would assist the player to achieve a better result. Technology gives the fitter exact measurements with which to work.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

Can someone recommend a good fitter in Melbourne that does the fitting out on the practice fairway off grass. I am not interested in hitting off a mat into a net.

Any suggestions and feedback most welcome

Why on Earth would you want to be fitted outdoors where the only feedback is ball flight? None of the club face angles, head speed, ball speed, spin rates, carry, roll, etc.

Before technological advances enabled precision in the fitting process, it was all based on the ability of the fitter to imagine which variables would assist the player to achieve a better result. Technology gives the fitter exact measurements with which to work.

A good fitting will have an outdoor launch monitor so you can see the flight and get all the details. Is there anyone in Melbourne who can build a set of clubs using MOI matching instead of swingweight?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:56 AM

Can someone recommend a good fitter in Melbourne that does the fitting out on the practice fairway off grass. I am not interested in hitting off a mat into a net.

Any suggestions and feedback most welcome

Seek, Go see Bryan Ferguson at Albert Park, they fit outdoors and use trackman. He's been fitting for 30 years and trained up most the PGA meembers how to fit golf clubs

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:45 PM

Do you know if Bryan has all the major brands or is he just Henry Griffiths?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:58 PM

He will do anything.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:05 AM

I went and saw Bryan Ferguson a few months ago as I wanted an opinion on my shafts, he suggested regular flex. I have since gone with stiff after consulting another fitter and the benefit was dramatic. best to seek the advise of a few guys and see what comes up, just my opinion anyway ! P.S TGP are the guys to see !

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

I went and saw Bryan Ferguson a few months ago as I wanted an opinion on my shafts, he suggested regular flex. I have since gone with stiff after consulting another fitter and the benefit was dramatic. best to seek the advise of a few guys and see what comes up, just my opinion anyway !

P.S TGP are the guys to see !

Just a hack who enjoys golf !!!!

Dramatic, how many shots did your handicap reduce? What was your percentage increase for Greens in reg and your driving stats. When you did your comparison for stiff and regular, what was your ball disppersion comparison. What was the comparison on consistancey of strike of centred hits. What was the results for consistant distance. I'm 100% percent sure Bryan would have went through this process testing various combinations and this would be the reason why he suggested regular for you. I'd be really interested to see the results for the comparisons above first before discrediting one of the best club fitters in the world.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

I am a little surprised that two very reputable club fitters would come up with different answers. But considering that there are no standards when it comes to shaft flex gradings, it is quite possible that the R shaft suggested by Bryan was on the stiffer side of the average, and the S recommended by TGP was softer than most. There is also the question of kick-point and other characteristics. Zen, I realise that you are trying to make a point, but no-one is going to have those statistics from just a fitting. Six months of use perhaps, but not just a fitting. It would take days of assessment to get a start on them and the cost would be excessive for a weekend hacker. May be far more relevant for a professional golfer. "Dramatic" was probably the improvement over what bush-man had before his shaft was changed.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:15 AM

I'm not surprised two reputable fitters would come up with different answers at all. It depends what the brief was. Most fitters fit for now. And I know Bryan generally doesn't do that. He'll see a swing fault and ask "what do you want to do? I can fit you to the fault or I can fit you to get better" I remember taking my irons in and getting the lie angles tested. They were fine. Swing was rooted. Start to change the swing and within 15 minutes the lie angles were miles out. Each to their own. I'm not into discrediting people who are professionals at their chosen craft.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

I am a little surprised that two very reputable club fitters would come up with different answers.

But considering that there are no standards when it comes to shaft flex gradings, it is quite possible that the R shaft suggested by Bryan was on the stiffer side of the average, and the S recommended by TGP was softer than most. There is also the question of kick-point and other characteristics.

Zen, I realise that you are trying to make a point, but no-one is going to have those statistics from just a fitting. Six months of use perhaps, but not just a fitting. It would take days of assessment to get a start on them and the cost would be excessive for a weekend hacker. May be far more relevant for a professional golfer.

“Dramatic” was probably the improvement over what bush-man had before his shaft was changed.

Very True regarding shaft flexes are different tolerances for different companies for flex, kick points etc. Old bogey , the team I deal will do the above. That's why for two reasons you fit out doors and use a ball flight monitor or trackman. To see the consistency of ball dispersion, see the consistency of strike. The ball flight monitor gives the averages for your distances and ball dispersion patterns. Face tape gives centre hits to compare consistency of strike as well. Gir's and driving stats every golfer should keep their stats on their game if they want to improve their golf. If you are getting lessons you should always keep stats so your coach can help your development. You don't do the above when your fitted what a waste of time and money. We get fitted for all the above reasons to improve our golf.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

I went and saw Bryan Ferguson a few months ago as I wanted an opinion on my shafts, he suggested regular flex. I have since gone with stiff after consulting another fitter and the benefit was dramatic. best to seek the advise of a few guys and see what comes up, just my opinion anyway !

P.S TGP are the guys to see !

Just a hack who enjoys golf !!!!

Thanx for the rap, Inda. Fitting versus selling, a good fitting should take into consideration a dozen or more different areas with regards to the players equipment and then look very hard at the players swing mechanics. The starting point of any fitting should be about the player and their swing in isolation. Can the player make a repetitive motion and how will that relate to their gear. Has their existing equipment made them swing a particular way ? Given that alot of golfers can't make the same patterns happen from one day to the next, it is always good to find the things that work for them and use those areas to move forward. The net senario is a starting point, add to this the launch monitor facts and figures and we start to get the bigger picture. Then the practise range and playing on the course become the final proving ground for any modifications to a players clubs. Having a great "Coach" will make the transition with either new or old equipment much easier. So trying to marry all of the required elements together is a skill that is best left to the experts within their fields and some shouldn't ever cross over the boundaries. Coaches Fitters/Club builders Sports Psychologist Gym instructors Salespeople Jon... Perception isn't reality !

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

Inda I recently got fitted out for a new driver by TGP The whole process was a combination of net and range,and coach using a TM R9 adjustable setting head TGP gave me two shafts a R & S and two driver lofts 9.5 adjustable to Plus minus one deg and a 10.5 adjustable to Plus minus 1 deg. so in other words loft between 8.5 9.5 10.5 and 11.5 coupled with R & S combo. first step was range where I hit all these combo's and recorded result on range. after hitting it was obvious even to me that some combo's while launched ball high were not right for me. second step back inside into net on launch monitor at TGP again hit all combo;s that had hit on range and got spin numbers. This data showed me that the ball flights I achieved were correct. ended up deciding on a 9.5 deg reg flex this game me most distance and lowest spin. second choice was 10.5 with a S flex. under watchful eye of fitter also had available several shaft types as well. 3rd step took this driver combo to my coach and under his watchful eye we to ensure the height on driver was from club not some swing fault narrowed process down to the 9.5 R flex. with a possibility of using S flex for summer. which will now trial (PS hit 8 /10 in middle) 4th step out playing on course in the wind or on tight fwys under comp pressure using my regular gaming ball (vision X3). Spin numbers and track man and all that mean zip all if cannot hit right flight shape under playing conditions. I have gained 15 m with my driver and have a much better lower and more powerful and penetrating ball fight now especially into wind. process very thorough whole way not pressure to buy any " on special this month" type deals or one OEM driver head better than another. Some large retail outlets claim to offer club fitting, It is fitting sort of to a point where they actually select the OEM driver head / limited shaft range. so fitting you to a club they have on special to you NOT selecting club combo for your game. difference for me was had I decided to change a combo like shaft with my fitter during process I could had I decided to change with driver from golf store it meant get a new driver .. 5th Step after sales service TGP and coach are there for advise, but dont need to change driver just yet.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

I went and saw Bryan Ferguson a few months ago as I wanted an opinion on my shafts, he suggested regular flex. I have since gone with stiff after consulting another fitter and the benefit was dramatic. best to seek the advise of a few guys and see what comes up, just my opinion anyway !

P.S TGP are the guys to see !

Just a hack who enjoys golf !!!!

Thanx for the rap, Inda.
Fitting versus selling, a good fitting should take into consideration a dozen or more different areas with regards to the players equipment and then look very hard at the players swing mechanics. The starting point of any fitting should be about the player and their swing in isolation. Can the player make a repetitive motion and how will that relate to their gear. Has their existing equipment made them swing a particular way ?
Given that alot of golfers can’t make the same patterns happen from one day to the next, it is always good to find the things that work for them and use those areas to move forward.
The net senario is a starting point, add to this the launch monitor facts and figures and we start to get the bigger picture. Then the practise range and playing on the course become the final proving ground for any modifications to a players clubs.
Having a great “Coach” will make the transition with either new or old equipment much easier. So trying to marry all of the required elements together is a skill that is best left to the experts within their fields and some shouldn’t ever cross over the boundaries.
Coaches
Fitters/Club builders
Sports Psychologist
Gym instructors
Salespeople
Jon…
Perception isn’t reality !

Jon, I cold heartily disagree with each field not integrating into each other fields. As a team each field has to marry in together to get the best results for the athlete. If they don't the player is doomed for failure. With the US tour players I work with we are all a team and converse with each other on what we are doing. We hold group meetings with all the team members so we are all on the same page to get the best results for our athletes. If the fitness professional is doing certain exercises which do not blend into the movements the coach is trying to teach their player it can have massive impact and effect the golfers golf swing. It also has massive impacts on their biomechanics as well. So it is crucial every one is on the same page. I had 2 European female players and 1 male player fitted by a certain tour van rep who they are sponsor by. 1 month prior they were flushing the ball their kinetic link was progressing really well. A month after the fitting we re-tested them and their patterns regressed and they were chopping it, WTF is going on. Turns out the guy was clueless he fitted them with wrong lie angle not understanding what the coach and I were trying to achieve. He fitted them 2 upright which caused them to have break downs in their movement patterns and make compensations for the wrong lie angle. One player started to get back problems as a result. In the end I had to hunt down a fitter in the UK who understood my work and the coaches work to get the players back on track and are now flushing it again. It's important each persons has understanding for each others field. With what I can do I can pick up whether shaft flexes are suited to a player or not because we measure the shaft and golf head. With having qualifications also in club fitting I can can also tell if some one's gear isn't set up right for them. I can then advise and refer a player to get their equipment checked by a club fitter. Having a teaching back ground I can also pick up on swing faults and advise them they need to work with their coach on their swing. Generally I liaison with their coach anyway. Having qualifications in fitness I can pin point physical weaknesses and advise a player they need see their fitness instructor and work on these areas. Their fitness instructor and I work together as a team to improve the athlete. If all field don't marry in a player is doomed and I have seen many players end up in knots because their,coach,fitter,fitness instructor etc don't marry together and work as a team.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

People like Bryan is why so many PGA members send him their players because he understands their teaching and what the coach is trying to achieve with their swing mechanics. He understands my field so he can fit them to according to what we are doing with them so their eupiment does not impact their development. I'd never send a client of mine to someone who doesn't understand what I do in what ever area it is. If a coach doesn't mesh into what I do I wouldn't work with them period. I can measure any fitters work and let me say to date around the world Bryan is the one of very few guys guy that not one guy he has fitted for us has been fitted with the wrong shaft flex not suited to their kinetic link. Not one.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

Inda
I recently got fitted out for a new driver by TGP
The whole process was a combination of net and range,and coach

using a TM R9 adjustable setting head TGP gave me two shafts a R & S and two driver lofts 9.5 adjustable to Plus minus one deg
and a 10.5 adjustable to Plus minus 1 deg.

so in other words loft between 8.5 9.5 10.5 and 11.5 coupled with R & S combo.

first step
was range where I hit all these combo’s and recorded result on range.
after hitting it was obvious even to me that some combo’s while launched ball high were not right for me.

second step
back inside into net on launch monitor at TGP again hit all combo;s that had hit on range and got spin numbers. This data showed me that the ball flights I achieved were correct.
ended up deciding on a 9.5 deg reg flex this game me most distance and lowest spin. second choice was 10.5 with a S flex.

under watchful eye of fitter also had available several shaft types as well.

3rd step
took this driver combo to my coach and under his watchful eye we to ensure the height on driver was from club not some swing fault narrowed process down to the 9.5 R flex. with a possibility of using S flex for summer. which will now trial (PS hit 8 /10 in middle)

4th step
out playing on course in the wind or on tight fwys under comp pressure using my regular gaming ball (vision X3).
Spin numbers and track man and all that mean zip all if cannot hit right flight shape under playing conditions.

I have gained 15 m with my driver and have a much better lower and more powerful and penetrating ball fight now especially into wind.

process very thorough whole way not pressure to buy any ” on special this month” type deals or one OEM driver head better than another.

Some large retail outlets claim to offer club fitting,
It is fitting sort of to a point where they actually select the OEM driver head / limited shaft range.
so fitting you to a club they have on special to you NOT selecting club combo for your game.

difference for me was had I decided to change a combo like shaft with my fitter during process I could
had I decided to change with driver from golf store it meant get a new driver ..

5th Step
after sales service TGP and coach are there for advise, but dont need to change driver just yet.

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CB80, Isn't this whay you would get fitted outdoors with a trackman in the first place so you are in a similar environment of playing conditions? You can try all the different combinations and find what is the best combination for you.You can hit all the shots required on the golf course see the ball flight and also use trackman to records the stats at the same time. I wouldn't personally use any other ball flight monitor the cheaper versions a basically useless all they are good for is to bull dust some one print out some fancy numbers to sell them a set of sticks.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

Hi all apologies for creating so much anger ! Zen, please don't take my comments as a person attack on Bryan. He was a great help and gave me a heap of tips, I never ask a fitter for numbers. thats their job and all those numbers spewing out on a screen would just cause me a head *** ! I am now playing alot better, compressing the ball for the first time ever, wow love that feeling !!!! As I said sometimes it pays to go see a few people and get different opinions, then one can build a solid set of irons around those.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

Hi all apologies for creating so much anger ! Zen, please don’t take my comments as a person attack on Bryan. He was a great help and gave me a heap of tips, I never ask a fitter for numbers. thats their job and all those numbers spewing out on a screen would just cause me a head *** ! I am now playing alot better, compressing the ball for the first time ever, wow love that feeling !!!!

As I said sometimes it pays to go see a few people and get different opinions, then one can build a solid set of irons around those.

Just a hack who enjoys golf !!!!

Fair play, You may not have intended the way it came across, although understand it from my point of view, if you re-read your post it didn't come across very well, you basically discredited Bryan. I'm not even sure why you needed to make the post you did. Why not just say go see Jon instead, was there any need to make the remarks you did. This is how I seen it anyway. Its all cool. With regard to the numbers , Bryan would not spit the numbers out to people. He would use it for his own reference only unless they asked for them. Some like me i want to know my ball dispersions and distance etc that is crucial to me. Everyone else, What I don't understand is why the TPG followers have go around slagging other well respected club fitters. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Bryan I would have said something if it was said about any other highly regarded club fitter. I'm happy for people if they are happy with their service provider that's great. But there is no need for people to slag other professionals in the process and slagging other custom builders. That really ticks me off and pretty poor form.




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