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#1 JorgeGomez

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

Hello Golfers, I´m glad to be here, and to help you in your golf game. You name the area of improvement and I try to do my best to help you with your golf game. You can click on my Profile to know more about me or visit my site at: Loving the Champion Just a quickly resume: PGA of Mexico Class A Golf Instructor Two Times National Champion Played 10 World Cups, 6 in U.S.A., 2 in Europe. Place 1st in more than 40 junior golf tournaments. Ranked 13 worldwide as a junior player. Played several Professional Tours in Mexico and LatinAmerica. Have several junior students placed 1st place on national and international golf tournaments. Feel free to ask! Remember to keep your golf game simple, and Feel it! Sincerely,

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 03:23 AM

Welcome to the forum, Jorge.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 07:22 AM

Can you provide some tips on where to improve ? Thanks

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 11:39 PM

Welcome to the community Jorge. Their are heaps of threads to participate on in this section. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

#5 JorgeGomez

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:37 AM

Hello Aimr75, Nice swing you have! I like your setup and your backswing! It is on a good plane. Sure you can improve on your downswing, I see that when you make your downswing you have too much movement of your hips, making your downswing plane from the outside to inside, that's with a poor release, makes your shots with a slice or fade generally, but it can also create a bad hook. I sugest that you try to make your downswing first with your arms going down, instead of you hips going first. Watch a Sergio Garcia golf swing on youtube, just to understand what i'm saying, he move his arms down a lot on his downswing. Try making your release much earlier. And the most important thing, keep patience and try it, try it, try it, with good attitude. Keep in touch!

#6 JorgeGomez

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:39 AM

Thank you kindly OldBogey!

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:40 AM

Hello HeadPro, Thank you for your Welcome! My pleasure to be here to learn and to help. Keep in touch.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:57 AM

Hello Aimr75,

Nice swing you have!

I like your setup and your backswing! It is on a good plane.

Sure you can improve on your downswing, I see that when you make your downswing you have too much movement of your hips, making your downswing plane from the outside to inside, that’s with a poor release, makes your shots with a slice or fade generally, but it can also create a bad hook.

I sugest that you try to make your downswing first with your arms going down, instead of you hips going first. Watch a Sergio Garcia golf swing on youtube, just to understand what i’m saying, he move his arms down a lot on his downswing.

Try making your release much earlier.

And the most important thing, keep patience and try it, try it, try it, with good attitude.

Keep in touch!

Keep your Golf Game Simple.

Jorge Gomez
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Author of the golf book Loving the Champion.

thanks for the reply! So with the hands going down, do you mean simply dropping the hands/arms from the top of the backswing so as to come more from the inside on the downswing? I can sort of see what you mean in this vid from about 13sec

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:51 PM

Hello Aimr75, Excellent! You got the point! On the Sergio Garcia video that you post, you can see how he starts his downswing dropping his arms first. And again! EXACTLY, you need to come on the downswing from the inside. Good job! Give it a try with faith, confidence and be patience. Keep in touch!

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 03:00 AM

Jorge, Sergio Garcia start his downswing with his arms first? Interesting according to 3D measurement his swing sequence for the downswing always starts with his lower body initiating the downswing first. His lower body starts accelerating towards the target before his arms complete their backswing and changes direction. Sergio is a float loader and the only way this can occur is by the lower body accelerating first as I described above. Freddy Couples is the same. The top tour players generally have a kinetic link start from the ground up. Their swing sequence is feet, hips, upper body (shoulders), arms and the club. When we tested tour players over the past 25 years they were the findings the sequence they created. It's hard to tell on 2D video any one's swing sequence, we are all just guessing. This is a better view to look at, Sergio is starting with his lower body first in this video. Sergio's Swing face on

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:27 PM

popcorn time..

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

Zen, this downward movement of the arms is commonly taught amongst coaches, they see it on video of the greats so teach it directly. I have done it myself with poor results as it always seems to lead to more early release, over the top, and scooping. We all know that the sequence starts with the lower body yet teach an upper body change. Is their a better way of teaching this dropping movement if the arms? By the way, where is the over the top move in his swing? Are we measuring it in a new way?

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:04 PM

Hello, I agree with you HeadPro. Anyway, I don't need to have the absolut correct answer, in golf opinions, religion and politics, we can talk about hours, and never agree. Good Golfing!

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:19 PM

Hello,

I agree with you HeadPro.
Anyway, I don’t need to have the absolut correct answer, in golf opinions, religion and politics, we can talk about hours, and never agree.

Good Golfing!

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Jorge Gomez
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Good retort.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

Hello,

I agree with you HeadPro.
Anyway, I don’t need to have the absolut correct answer, in golf opinions, religion and politics, we can talk about hours, and never agree.

Good Golfing!

Keep your Golf Game Simple.

Jorge Gomez
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Author of the golf book Loving the Champion.

Good retort.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:46 PM

Zen, this downward movement of the arms is commonly taught amongst coaches, they see it on video of the greats so teach it directly. I have done it myself with poor results as it always seems to lead to more early release, over the top, and scooping. We all know that the sequence starts with the lower body yet teach an upper body change. Is their a better way of teaching this dropping movement if the arms?

By the way, where is the over the top move in his swing? Are we measuring it in a new way?

Headpro, Aimr75 if you take a very close look he is actually to far inside or under the plane already. His right elbow if off plane. Getting him to drop it more inside is only going to make the guy worse. Because he is so far inside he has no choice to throw the club away to try and get back on plane at impact. Right right elbow is way off plane at the top and this is caused from his lower body being in a mechanical disadvantage in his back swing. His centre of mass is drift and lifting. As a result he is going into excessive extension and left lateral bending of the spine. When this occurs the flying right elbow occurs. Being in this position when he has to slide and spin his hips on the downswing.When this occurs this will cause his shoulders to rotate open left on him as well. Having poor ground forces his lower body can not stabilise not allowing the shoulders to square up impact, instead keep rotating left on him. His main problem is poor lower body stability and connection with the ground. It's the root cause to his issues. Dropping the club downward first is not going to resolve his problems it will make the guy worse, especially when he already is has throw away at the bottom. In layman terms the guys lower body and upper body spins out together, the club is following suit. Fix his lower body mechanics so they accelerate/ decelerate and stabilise at impact, his upper body will do the same. His arms than will work on plane properly. The guys needs to learn how to develop better coordination patterns to move his body in a better swing sequence. He has coordination with the ground, lower body mechanics and lower body and upper body realtionship. His issue is a coordination breakdown. Not a swing plane issue.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 10:36 PM

Hello Grant and Scott, I thought this was a forum, a place to help others, to share ideas and have new friends. It looks that I fail the exam, that's what it looks with the comments of Scott. So for me no problem, I don't need your approvement in my golf knowledge. I appologize for trying to help human beings on this forum. For now on I will post on other topics, but here in "ask the pro" section I feel that I am not welcome. Grant, congratulations for your Nike Junior Golf Program, it's always great to help juniors as they are the future of Golf. Good golfing!

#18 aimr75

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

Zen, this downward movement of the arms is commonly taught amongst coaches, they see it on video of the greats so teach it directly. I have done it myself with poor results as it always seems to lead to more early release, over the top, and scooping. We all know that the sequence starts with the lower body yet teach an upper body change. Is their a better way of teaching this dropping movement if the arms?

By the way, where is the over the top move in his swing? Are we measuring it in a new way?

Headpro,
Aimr75 if you take a very close look he is actually to far inside or under the plane already. His right elbow if off plane. Getting him to drop it more inside is only going to make the guy worse. Because he is so far inside he has no choice to throw the club away to try and get back on plane at impact.
Right right elbow is way off plane at the top and this is caused from his lower body being in a mechanical disadvantage in his back swing. His centre of mass is drift and lifting. As a result he is going into excessive extension and left lateral bending of the spine. When this occurs the flying right elbow occurs. Being in this position when he has to slide and spin his hips on the downswing.When this occurs this will cause his shoulders to rotate open left on him as well.
Having poor ground forces his lower body can not stabilise not allowing the shoulders to square up impact, instead keep rotating left on him.
His main problem is poor lower body stability and connection with the ground. It’s the root cause to his issues. Dropping the club downward first is not going to resolve his problems it will make the guy worse, especially when he already is had throw away at the bottom.
In layman terms the guys lower body and upper body spins out together, the club is following suit. Fix his lower body mechanics so they accelerate/ decelerate and stabilise at impact, his upper body will do the same. His arms than will work on plane properly.

The guys needs to learn how to develop better coordination patterns to move his body in a better swing sequence. He has coordination with the ground, lower body mechanics and lower body and upper body realtionship. His issue is a coordination breakdown. Not a swing plane issue.

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Zen, thats alot to take in, and certainly at a bit of a loss as to how to correct this. Any tips on where to start? I am planning on getting some lessons, but any help is appreciated

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:27 PM

Hello Grant and Scott,

I thought this was a forum, a place to help others, to share ideas and have new friends.

It looks that I fail the exam, that’s what it looks with the comments of Scott.

So for me no problem, I don’t need your approvement in my golf knowledge.

I appologize for trying to help human beings on this forum.

For now on I will post on other topics, but here in “ask the pro” section I feel that I am not welcome.

Grant, congratulations for your Nike Junior Golf Program, it’s always great to help juniors as they are the future of Golf.

Good golfing!

Keep your Golf Game Simple.

Jorge Gomez
PGA of Mexico Class A Golf Instructor
Author of the golf book Loving the Champion.

Jorge Your input is welcome here and much appreciated. We have many readers that are new to the game or dont play all that often. Every little bit of information helps the readers now and to any that read later. We do have some debate that occurs here as it would in any other conversation online or in person. So please dont take that as"your not welcome", not the case. Id like to hear more about golf in Mexico and your thoughts on the Olympics having golf. What does that do to help a country like Mexico?

#20 JorgeGomez

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:19 AM

Hello Madam, Thank you for your kindest comments. Everything is OK for me. :) About the Olympics, it's great for Mexico to be part in this Olympics opportunities, as for other countries, is a good opportunity to the mexican players to say hello to the golf world. With the PGA Latinamerica, a lot of players from this areas are growing and hopefully they reach their dreams on playing the Nationwide or PGA Tour. Thank you again, Love and Light to you and your sorroundings.




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