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#1 TOLMIJ

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 03:35 AM

Friend of a friend was DQ for using an illegal club in a comp. The club was legal when purchased but was subsequently banned.With all the clubs on the market how are we supposed to know when one is moved to the banned list and why would a club suddenly be banned after being OK for several years? Clubs like the belly putter make the forum rounds so we all know how it is going.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:00 AM

What type of club was it tolmij?

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:48 AM

It was a driver but am not sure of the details, I can try to find out but don't hold much hope. I only know what he told me which was sketchy. My main concern was the process, I may want to start comp again shortly and my clubs were second hand 5 years ago.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 06:01 AM

You can check whether or not your driver is conforming or not on the R and A website. http://www.randa.org...ng-Drivers.aspx

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:06 AM

Very few people would be aware that any particular club is illegal, unless you're competing at state level or similar. Don't worry about it.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:18 AM

Just as an aside, does anyone know what suddenly makes a club illegal.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:18 AM

There is/was no suddenly as far as I know. The rules got changed for Drivers in the mid 2000s, to limit the amount of "spring" off the face, by applying limits to COR I think. The changes were flagged well before they came into effect from memory. This made some existing drivers illegal. Most of the manufacturers offered to trade the illegals for a new legal model at the time. But there are still plenty of illegals out there, despite plenty of info and publicity about the changes at the time.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:35 AM

A bit of googling indicates that the USGA changed the rules for max. Driver COR (0.83) in about 2002. The R & A didn't change their rules till 2008 I gather. This allowed a Max. COR of up to 0.89 in some markets, until the R & A came in line with the USGA. http://www.purelygol...nnouncement.htm

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:24 PM

Thanks Dave, I cannot see the logic behind limiting COR and then ramping up ball design and shaft technology. As I found on google COR only affects drivers to any extent yet ball and shaft design affects all clubs. If they reason was to bring back technology to start relying on talent the surely it should be limited on all aspects of the equipment.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:45 PM

You'd have to wonder just who dobbed your friend in about the illegal club.Unless it was some sort of super long shafted escapee from the Long Drive events I'm amazed that the casual observer would know (or care) a damn.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:49 PM

There are also limits on Golf Ball performance, and they have been the same since the 90s; "The current regulations mandated by the R&A and the USGA state that diameter of the golf ball cannot be any smaller than 1.680 inches (42.67 mm). The maximum velocity of the ball may not exceed 250 feet per second (274 km/h) under test conditions and the weight of the ball may not exceed 1.620 ounces (45.93 g)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf_ball I am not aware of any specific limits on shafts other than max. club length of 48", ex putters.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 06:15 PM

A volume limit of 470cc came in a few rule books ago. As many drivers have their volume written on them, it is likely this is what got him DQ'd.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:17 PM

You’d have to wonder just who dobbed your friend in about the illegal club.Unless it was some sort of super long shafted escapee from the Long Drive events I’m amazed that the casual observer would know (or care) a damn.

His playing opponent aparently noticed and reported it after the match, he knew because he had one himself and had replaced it.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:20 PM

There are also limits on Golf Ball performance, and they have been the same since the 90s;

“The current regulations mandated by the R&A and the USGA state that diameter of the golf ball cannot be any smaller than 1.680 inches (42.67 mm). The maximum velocity of the ball may not exceed 250 feet per second (274 km/h) under test conditions and the weight of the ball may not exceed 1.620 ounces (45.93 g).”

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I am not aware of any specific limits on shafts other than max. club length of 48”, ex putters.

Golf balls would not be the same problem I would have thought as they tend to be changed at regular intervals and illegal balls would probably not be on sale. Unless you are like me and try to get 6 months out of a ball. Don't hit it far and you don't lose them :)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:55 AM

There is also an issue with square grooves on clubs. At this point in time, they are illegal for pros but amateurs (who for the most part would get little or no advantage from them) can still use them for some years yet.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:12 AM

There is also an issue with square grooves on clubs. At this point in time, they are illegal for pros but amateurs (who for the most part would get little or no advantage from them) can still use them for some years yet.

I get quite crabby when they make changes that can cause the average golfer lots of cash. Irespective of the ruling on grooves I for one will not be changing my clubs.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:51 AM

"...1 Jan 2024: Earliest date that the Rules will be applied to clubs manufactured prior to 2010. This date will be reviewed in 2020 and may be extended. For all players, all abilities, all forms of play...." From the R&A, Groove Rules explained The average will have to take a look into his bag in 12 years at the earliest :-) Most male players I know change their drivers and their wedges on a regular basis, and in 2024 only few should be affected

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:36 AM

”...1 Jan 2024:
Earliest date that the Rules will be applied to clubs manufactured prior to 2010. This date will be reviewed in 2020 and may be extended.
For all players, all abilities, all forms of play….”

From the R&A, Groove Rules explained

The average will have to take a look into his bag in 12 years at the earliest :-)
Most male players I know change their drivers and their wedges on a regular basis, and in 2024 only few should be affected

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As I am now 70, I don't think 2024 will be much of a problem for me. If I am still playing golf by then I will be even more crabby than I am now and will probably dig my heels in even further. Many ppl I play golf with only change their clubs when they fall apart.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:46 AM

You’d have to wonder just who dobbed your friend in about the illegal club.Unless it was some sort of super long shafted escapee from the Long Drive events I’m amazed that the casual observer would know (or care) a damn.

His playing opponent aparently noticed and reported it after the match, he knew because he had one himself and had replaced it.

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What an absolute goose you'd have to be to actually dob someone in like this.At the most they could have just suggested that it was time for a new driver and explain how they'd come across the rule because it had applied to them .Then give him a couple of weeks grace before taking any action.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:55 PM

What an absolute goose you’d have to be to actually dob someone in like this.At the most they could have just suggested that it was time for a new driver and explain how they’d come across the rule because it had applied to them .Then give him a couple of weeks grace before taking any action.

But wouldn't the player DQ themselves anyway when they found out they were using an illegal club.? I know I would.




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