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#1 Devongolfer

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:04 AM

Hi, I see there are a few threads where people are on a mission and document what they are up to, so here I go.... A few days ago I finally had a flash of insight and understood what HK and TGM were about at the big picture level. TheDart and Loren were kind enough to confirm that I had got this about right. Then I have been reading some interesting threads about lessons, experience of lessons, how to learn the game and so on. I am going to start again with my practice and study, and here is the plan, I will post my achievements and failures and if anyone wants to chip in with any helpful comments, thank you in anticipation. What is the plan? I am going to eliminate acc 2 and acc 3, for a while, by setting up at impact fix with the left wrist fully uncocked and keeping the cocking action out of the swing. That will leave me free to concentrate on moving the primary lever whilst achieving TGM's 2.0 Essentials and Imperatives, or at least most of them. This will only give me a short swing at less than full power, but I see no reason why I cannot get a good pivot and good compression using this limited action. Plus I can hit as hard as I am able to with acc 1. I want to get the hitting action sorted out this way, because this is a change that I started a few months ago and I am hoping that keeping acc 2 and 3 out of the swing will allow me to isolate and work on this change. I also want to make sure my right shoulder is not coming OTT, which is something that might be a problem for me, especially if I am trying to hit the ball hard. I think this might also isolate a clubhead throwaway problem causing OTT, since without acc 2 and acc 3, there is nothing to throw away apart from over acceleration of acc 1 too soon in the downswing. Then, in stages, I want to start adding in acc 3 then acc 2, but each time switching back to the primary only action if I start to lose something important. My theory is that I really do need Educated Hands and acc 2 and acc 3 working well, but I will never get there if the hands are compensating for any flaws that are more fundamental in the primary lever action. So, Prinary lever first, Secondary lever second! Hey, it's a plan! What can possibly go wrong?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:13 AM

Whoosh! Most of it went over my head but good luck mate. How are you looking to gauge success? Will you be conscripting the aid of a coach or self assessment and training?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:30 AM

Ghetto, thanks. I am looking for much better quality ball striking as my success. My current ball striking is awful. I know the difference, because I play with decent players and also some of the Devon pros in pro ams. I have had lots of lessons and have moved on to this, because none of my local pros (UK) speak TGM. But if I feel I have made any progress, I will take some video shots and buy a lesson / feedback from one of the pro's on the forum.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:04 AM

Lol you are in the uk? Let me guess, Devon? I suppose better impact is a qualitative measure of progress, but how are you going to quantify improvement? Number GIRs?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:04 PM

No secrets about location or nationality on this forum, full disclosure, Ghetto! Yes, I think GIR is a good way to do this. Actually, I break down the holes into two groups at my course. There are 12 that I can reach without difficulty and 6 that I struggle to reach in most conditions. With my current ball striking, I might get 6-7 out of the 12 and maybe one out of the 6. So around 7-8 GIR per round is a goodish number, I've done better but not often, and do worse when I am messed up with my swing. So, what I want is to be able to reach the 6 and get maybe 3 out of those 6 regularly, plus get the 6-7 out of 12 up a bit. If I can get to 12 GIR occasionally and get my OK rounds up to 10 or more, then I will change my name from Devonhacker to DevonGolfer, and spend my time on the short game.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:16 PM

Gawd, makes my intro look yoboish.......... sounds like a plan, good luck with the acc1, 2 and 3 thing, not sure what that is but sounds interesting.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:22 PM

You are a yobbo Deano, even the iPhone picked on the spelling for yobbo. Not sure if they have even heard of that term over in royal Devon! Devon - I have recently begun tracking my stats and as per usual GIR, fwys hit etc as well. Have also created a little spreadsheet to help me keep track of how many shots a round that I flush or flubber. I broke them down into groups being: Driver and 3wd. 2&4 hybrid 5&6 irons 7-pw Wedges full swing and pitches Chips Putts. Under each grouping I have 2 columns. Good and bad shots. That way I start to get an idea on where I am underperforming and need more work on.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:26 PM

Gawd, makes my intro look yoboish….......

sounds like a plan, good luck with the acc1, 2 and 3 thing, not sure what that is but sounds interesting.

You are a yobbo, so honesty came through.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

Best wishes with the results from the plan Devon. That is the way to start off, set down your ideas. They are fluid though not set in stone and if the GIR do not improve then you have a benchmark to make adjustments from.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:59 PM

Devon You are going down a path different to what I did when I revamped my swing. I didn't hardly play at all during the retool over an 18 month period. My focus was to make the swing mechanical, especially the backswing and transition as a first step. Then I concentrated on the area through impact and follow through for ball control. I didn't want the distraction of learning a swing technique on the course and returning to old habits. As mentioned before in other threads, my source for swing fundamentals was Abe Mitchell's books.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 04:16 AM

Whoosh!
Most of it went over my head.

TGM goes over most heads GG. good luck Devon

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:48 AM

You are a yobbo Deano, even the iPhone picked on the spelling for yobbo. Not sure if they have even heard of that term over in royal Devon!

Oi......what for you mean ? me a yob....eeerr umm........continue on.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:57 PM

Thanks to everyone who has posted replies so far. 1st chance to practice the master plan, and play 18, today. Happy days! Found the OTT / right shoulder fix in TGM: I had my spine upright, and it needs to tilt to the right (2-H if anyone wants to see the reference). Loren had replied to my post about speed or compression, and the answer is compression. He also gave me some tips on feeling lag. Flat Left Wrist is the key, I got so focussed on lag a couple of times, I forgot FLW and smashed one way right and another snapped low left. I also found that (I am hitting) starting down slow gives much better results. The TGM guys can explain this one. I am playing with a much stonger grip and still hitting straight now I have the right shoulder not coming OTT. I was not scoring today, but I had 8 GIR, which is a good day for me. I think I have something to practice now, so I will stick with this and have a couple more practice sessions and rounds before I change anything else.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:12 AM

what course are you on in Devon?

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 02:54 AM

Well, I have changed my name from Devonhacker to Devongolfer. I bought a copy of TGM 9 months ago, but was really struggling to understand it. I then bought Pete Croker / Dart's videos that explain TGM, and that got me moving forward, and then I kept asking questions on the forum. I was truly a hacker, because I had all the key faults: OTT, throwaway, no lag and so forth, but I just got back from 18 holes and now I am hitting the ball properly. I am no tour player now or likely to be in the future, but the difference for me is fantastic. I'll post the key lessons on Ask the TGM guys, in case that will help anyone else, since very few people read these threads.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 04:18 PM

Well, it has stopped raining in the UK (wettest summer for over a hundred years here). 37 points today, very happy. I'll get a small handicap cut. 9 GIR, which is my main focus. 9 is a good, if not great, number for me. I want 12, but given all the changes I am taking on, I feel pretty good about progress so far. Starting to relate shots back to Educated hands: if I miss sideways, then I can see that I lost the FLW, if the shot comes out dead, then I lost the lag. I like the idea of feeling the right forearm tracing an arc, but I found that I needed to concentrate totally on pp3 to get any sort of lag, I hit 3 or 4 dead shots today that went nowhere. Shot of the day was the cutest 8i to about a foot on our short par 3. Found an interesting putting idea. I have been using Stan Utley's books and methods for the short game. I think I can now describe his putting method in TGM terms: you zero out the #2 and #3 accumulators by having the shaft in line with the forearms, keep the elbows nicely bent, stick your bum out so you can get the arms past your belly, and the power the putting stroke by fanning the right forearm, whilst maintaining control over the putter face with the left hand. Worked a treat today. The Ryder cup is getting closer, can't wait.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

Good and bad today. Only 5 GIR, I hit some horrible shots. The best news was the putting stroke, this is starting to feel like a real find. Managed to scrape round only 2 over my handicap, but overall was disappointed with the ball striking. I'm still struggling to get the release and hand action working well. Had a practice session before I went out, hitting wedges. I worked on automatic release of acc 2 and added about 10% distance, but I did not try to use this in the round. The other feel that I need to work on is the "underhand pitch" feel with the right hand. I definitely have hacker DNA in that I let the right forearm climb out and over unless I make a real effort not to. Still happy, though. The good ones are proper shots, much better than before, so I am still getting a sense of heading in the right direction.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:15 AM

Still working my way through TGM again. I read it several times at the start of the year, and most of it passed me by. This time, I am getting insights as I go. For instance: I now understand "the Magic of the right forearm" (7-3) . On previous reads, the idea of cocking the left wrist without the right wrist cocking seemed nonsense. I now realise that the right forearm moves in such a way as to uncock the right wrist as fast as the left wrist is cocking it, if you see what I mean, such that you end up in a situation as HK says. I am starting to realise that a) HK is right 99%+ and b) when I think HK is talking nonsense, I actually have an opportunity to learn something important. Had a few Q+A's with Dart about the hip action. I think that tilting the spine to the right is a step forward, but clearly I still have OTT tendencies in hip, knee and shoulder actions. I am in 2 minds as to what to work on next. One option is to sort out my hand action and acc 2 (still a bit of a mystery) using 1/2 to 3/4 swings with limited pivot, just to get the feel of acc 2 in the hands. I am attracted to this option because I can see this is the key to getting a bit more clubhead speed (I reckon up to 10%). The other option is to leave acc 2 a bit longer and work on knee, hip and shoulder action in order to try to eradicate more of my OTT DNA. This is more of the sensible approach, because any residual OTT will make a nonsense of any other changes. Head versus heart! Can't hit balls for a couple of days, so I will carry on with TGM and decide a bit later.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:22 AM

Still working my way through TGM again. I read it several times at the start of the year, and most of it passed me by. This time, I am getting insights as I go.

For instance: I now understand “the Magic of the right forearm” (7-3) . On previous reads, the idea of cocking the left wrist without the right wrist cocking seemed nonsense. I now realise that the right forearm moves in such a way as to uncock the right wrist as fast as the left wrist is cocking it, if you see what I mean, such that you end up in a situation as HK says.

I am starting to realise that a) HK is right 99%+ and b) when I think HK is talking nonsense, I actually have an opportunity to learn something important.

Had a few Q+A’s with Dart about the hip action. I think that tilting the spine to the right is a step forward, but clearly I still have OTT tendencies in hip, knee and shoulder actions.

I am in 2 minds as to what to work on next. One option is to sort out my hand action and acc 2 (still a bit of a mystery) using 1/2 to 3/4 swings with limited pivot, just to get the feel of acc 2 in the hands. I am attracted to this option because I can see this is the key to getting a bit more clubhead speed (I reckon up to 10%).

The other option is to leave acc 2 a bit longer and work on knee, hip and shoulder action in order to try to eradicate more of my OTT DNA. This is more of the sensible approach, because any residual OTT will make a nonsense of any other changes.

Head versus heart! Can’t hit balls for a couple of days, so I will carry on with TGM and decide a bit later.

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Stan Utley putting and short game
TGM hitting, as explained by Jeff Mann, Peter Croker / Paul Hart
New ball flight rules
Zen golf
Rory McIlroy, I.K.Kim swings
Fast play, Stableford scoring, windy conditions

Transition maybe............

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:49 AM

Brownman, thanks for reading, please explain more




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