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Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:08 PM
Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:20 PM
From deepdivot, Fossie, what do u see as the difference between xxxxx's teachings and TGM?Foster sez, well deepdivot they both have their good points more than one way to swing a club. to say one's good or one's bad would do a disservice to golf, i studied TGM for 20 years,i also know xxxxx's beliefs,TGM is not for the player to study it's only for the coach,if you think you can study the TGM book as a player it will be your downfall, but in saying that all golf coaches should know it, it is very helpful. (ed. we (TGMers) beg to differ on that downfall bit. Heh.) cont'd
Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:31 PM
So basically xxxxx's swing theory is come in shallow with right elbow tucked in, use ur pivot to square the clubface and finish high (hope I got that right). Could u explain TGM swing that simply or is it a full every technical movement of the swing broken down into a hundred movements?Foster sez, deepdivot there's no THE tgm swing. The book covers most swing methods. It's an instructor's book. To try to learn from it without an instructor is nearly impossible, as you have to go through all sorts of references throughout the book to find what you want. If you want to know about TGM ask Loren or Dart cheers mate (ed. The book is written tersely, similar to an engineer's draft design document with section/paragraph references to parts already written to eliminate duplication everywhere else it's needed. While reading it you may usually skip the references. After awhile the references start to look familiar and you know what's there or probably is there by the context.)
Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:37 PM
Drive the right shoulder down straight towards the target line, then off that platform drive the hands (and therefore the club) down through the ball and out to right field.(ed. hitting) and,
Swing the hands (and therefore the club) out to right field feeling the pressure between the top of the left arm and left pec at least until after impact.(ed. swinging. Right shoulder has to go down in both cases. Right shoulder "out" is Over-the-top.) deepdivot asks,
How do they square the club face when hitting out to right field??? And does this mean that they donâ€™t accept a fade as an acceptable. Ball flight?Loren responds: It only looks like itâ€™s out to right field because youâ€™re swinging on an inclined plane. Itâ€™s out to right field because youâ€™re standing beside the ball, not lying on a table horizontal above it. Furthermore, you hit the ball then turf which means the ball was placed on the plane up and back from the bottom of the arc. Therefore, itâ€™s got to go out to right field to travel between impact point and the bottom of the swing arc, under ground. (ed. It's all geometry, not subjective.) The face is squared up when you take the grip in an impact configuration. Itâ€™s slightly open for a swinger, Brian Manzella said about 3 degrees open but it varies with club length and built-in hook face. Serendipitous, experimental. For a hitter Itâ€™s square to slightly closed. No one can â€śsquare the faceâ€ť while the swing is in progress. No time, plus the conscious mind is not operating in real time. (ed. this part is amended later. Pivot-oriented instruction trusts the pivot to do it. TGM describes it as active involvement of the right forearm.) Draws and fades are done with ball placement and re-gripping open or closed, at impact address. See Golf School article â€śImpact Fixâ€ť.
Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:43 PM
- TGM considers hands-control superior to pivot-control for controlling the geometry. The pivot is only an engine. The hands determine everything about the club through pressure points, by feel. The club disappears. Swing the hands, not the clubhead, with an effective pivot. The geometry is the same, just the control is different. Part of the pivotâ€™s job is to not interfere with the hands, and take the hands where they want to go.
- TGM is not â€śpositionâ€ť golf. There are no positions to hit, just dynamic alignments through Address, Top (right shoulder) and Finish.
Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:45 PM
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:51 PM
Thanks for the info guys I finally have some understanding of what TGM is.That brings us up-to-date and possibly gets out of Foster's thread, possibly not, and gives a pretty good idea of what TGM is all about. (ed. barely scratches the surface) (Thank you, ed.) Fire away the questions, ask advice, post videos for analysis, ask about what's going on in any other thread, anything you like. Dart or I or TGM-whomever should respond within a reasonable time frame, given there are other things going on.
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