Wow, just had a fun day. Went and played 3 sets of tennis this morning, it’s funny but I’d swear the work I’ve been doing with Bio is helping ALL my movement patterns, I was smashing my serves in and it felt on the most part very easy, from the ground up stuff all the way.

Of course I couldn’t resist going out after that and playing golf!!! Popped over to the local and just hit heaps of balls around. I have been keeping up my PST and also chipping heaps in the yard Dart style. Was checking out Ogilvy last night and noticed his left hand to be what to me is a ‘strong’ grip. I looked at my set up and realised over time I’d allowed my left hand to weaken somewhat, think this might have been as a result of using impact fix, but then slowly going back to address, if you know what I mean?? Anyhow, I strengthened my grip a little and the results were great, deliberately went too far and hooked it, then backed off. Was loving it. Funny how you can forget the simple things so easily??

Anyhow, my movement patterns were on fire too, and on the last hole hit half a dozen drives then pop, got what I would say was my first ever real absolutely gorgeous drive that is what I imagine the real players hit. The feel was astounding, the flight beautiful, the ball on the green 295 mts away, shabam, what a feeling. It may take me a year to hit another like that but I know the mechanics that did it, I felt them, and I will do it again.

The great thing today for me was I really felt the correlation between that drive and the 50 mtr pitch shots I was hitting. I’m gonna keep checking Ogilvy out, I want to make it that easy all the time. Next step is to get it when it counts I guess too,,,,,

295 metres is a very very sweet note Stink

Yep, hit some good drives there before but best always left me a 50 to 60 mtr chip. All taken into account it was probably about 280, but it’s just amazing how much difference all the little things make. Some will think it’s one of those BS stories, 17 HC drive that far?? Crap!! It was a one off, but I did it.

Now to remember how!

Some points I do remember;
1, I was relaxed and didn’t try to smash it, light grip loose wrists.
2, Right forearm was on plane and I had good extension. On this I felt a bit like Moe, I know I wouldn’t have looked like him at all, just felt like arms were out there somewhat.
3, Mind was clear, didn’t use CK, but I wasn’t thinking anything.

Another point, I’d rather have my 8i shot on the 4th all the time than this drive,,,,,,

Bomgolf sez:

I know that it’s said that hitters tend to fade, but since I’ve moved over to hitting I’ve found it much easier to hit controlled draws. It’s interesting stuff.

If you study the three hinge actions you’ll see that they have different clubface closing rates.
TGM describes it as closing-only, close-with-layback and layback only, for the horizontal, angled and vertical hinge actions, respectively. You feel a full roll, no roll or a consciously executed reverse roll through impact and on to follow-through, both arms straight.

You can see these demonstrated in Dart’s “Control your Clubface” Golf School article. The TGM student would drill these in Basic Motion, two feet back and two feet through, pivotless, with and without a club, or a ball, using extensor action, with eyes open and closed to ingrain the feeling.

And they produce different lengths of travel of the clubhead to both arms straight, longest to least, which forms the essence of the rhythm of the stroke.

The hitter’s drive-out action of the right forearm out to right field on the direct line Angle of Approach (parallel to the right forearm in impact fix setup conditions, roughly Lagpressure’s 4:30 line) will naturally cause a less than full clubface closing rate, an angled hinge action, closing with layback. That’s why hitters’ trajectories tend to have a bit of fall-off fade tail at the end.
It’s awkward for a hitter to override it to get the full roll of the horizontal hinge action for the little draw. Either CF takes over and destroys the rhythm or they over roll it and get a hook.
Or they’re right arm swinging, rope-pull, CF throw-out, not actually hitting.
Maybe you’re playing the ball back a bit with a closed clubface to produce the controlled draw as a hitter.

The swingers’ CF throw-out action allows the sweetspot to seek its inline condition with the turning shoulders and complete a full roll to perpendicular to the ground from impact to follow-through, the “closing only” of horizontal hinge action which produces the natural draw tendency unless they open the clubface a bit in impact fix setup.

Hinge action is one of the three fundamentals of TGM, the hinge action of an angular motion on an inclined plane. It describes control of the clubface, the clubhead and the clubshaft, and gives rise to the three imperatives, the flat left wrist, a lag pressure point and a straight plane line.

Great stuff Loren, your posts always give me several good read throughs. I think I’ve found a misconception I had about the FLW and it’s ‘direction’ at impact. This may be to do with this hinge action subject and would love your thoughts. I’ll try to be clear as I can in my ideas.

At impact, I had the idea for some reason that the FLW (or back of hand) should face the target. As a result my impact fix was such that I sat up with the back of my left hand facing the target. I felt like I couldn’t turn enough or get a HH, maybe because of such a weak grip? During my PST i realsied that at impact I had a solid FLW but it was facing more out to approx 35* right of target so I strengthened my grip to accommodate that impact feeling. Now impact is more solid and I can feel more hinge control. On studying some greats on youtube I saw this angle of the left hand was common indeed. I realise now that doing this has pp#1 solidly behind the direction of the club, much more power? I don’t know if I hit or swing. I think I can feel the difference sometimes. Bio says the drills I’m doing are setting up more a 4 barrel type swing which I feel makes sense to me. The thing is this occurred to me through the natural process of hitting the bag hard and my body doing what it needed to do to achieve a strong whack of the bag. It’s probably common knowledge amongst you folk, but always nice to find this stuff out. Hopefully I’m not way wrong,,,,,????

That’s correct.
At impact fix the back of the left wrist is facing at the same angle as the right forearm, out to right field, because of the right wrist bend and the hands ahead of the clubhead.

And all pressure points in the hands are behind the shaft supporting impact with the proximal phalanx of the right index finger (PP#3) and the left thumb on the line of the sweetspot, as is the right forearm. And pressure point #1, the base of the palm of the right hand is on top of the left thumb on the same line. Ideally, the right shoulder will be moving on that same line through impact.

So stand far enough away from the ball and get those hands up at address. Heh. Think Moe.

Either trace the plane line with PP#3 or direct it straight at the aft inner quadrant of the ball (parallel to the angle of the right forearm at impact fix) from the Top. It’s the hitter’s Angle of Approach visually equivalent delivery line. The blur of the clubhead will be seen to be covering that line rather than tracing it in your “startdown waggles”. Lagpressure’s 4:30 line.
By the way, that angle need not be very precise. It mainly satisfies the urge to steer and gets us off the ball-target line focus. The subconscious will make the shot, that mysterious innate “feel” for it, oh, and some practice.

But the wrists are vertical at impact fix, perpendicular to the ground, just about.

In horizontal hinge action the left wrist is kept perpendicular to the horizontal plane, the ground.
In angle hinge action the left wrist is kept perpendicular to the inclined plane.
Directly above low point, both of them happen to be perpendicular to the ground, or vertical at the same time, just about.
So we set up at impact fix with vertical wrists for any hinge action with the hands above low-point, although the clubhead is rearward of low-point at the time.
Close enough to vertical for gov’t work at that point.

The swinger feels PP#4, accelerates quickly to maximum hand speed, or the speed called for in the shot, with hip action, and then controls the CF throw-out action with the right forearm and elbow position. The right hip must be cleared first. Release is decidedly sequential, wrist uncock, then roll.
CF does it for you, but release cannot occur until the hands leave the right shoulder, i.e. pressure point #4 is relieved and the right elbow allowed to straighten. Extensor action.

The four-barrel hitter has to really watch that the “pull” part to start down does not set up a CF throw-out action and horizontal hinging resulting in throwaway. We have enough trouble over-accelerating with a 2-barrel stroke, #1 and #3. The two-barrel stroke can give a highly serviceable pattern, and a decent game. After that, one could add some wrist cock for a 3-barrel. But the hitter is all right arm, and the Magic of the Right Forearm.

A master of 2 or 3 barrels will have no fear of a player who has yet to master all 4.

Thanks Loren, seems clear enough. On the 2/4 barrel stuff, that’s way beyond me at the moment and I may well have miss-quoted Bio so I should avoid that area of thought and just do what I’m instructed to and get the results. I’m starting to come to ‘grips’ with the other actions though : )

hehe, thats cool stinkler. I could just see Loren sharpening his pencil to explain it all. You just keep doing what you are doing and it will be explained to you as you go no doubt.

The good thing here is we can ask what might be silly questions, so, just for the sake of clarity, are the 4 barrels the pressure points? Would a swinger use more #2 and #4 a hitter #1 and #3?
If so, what might be other ‘good’ combination’s?

Ah, search tool! Found the 4 barrel thread. Answered some questions for me.

I remember Fergy said that it’s not uncommon for players to use a hitters pattern on short irons and move to a swingers on longer clubs? On this, I find what I think is hitting (right arm thrust) easier with the heavier clubs, but with the light modern driver feels shit and falls apart (maybe the length not the weight?). Are lighter clubs more for swinging, heavier for hitting?

Questions, questions…...

Are the 4 barrels the pressure points?
Would a swinger use more #2 and #4, a hitter #1 and #3?
If so, what might be other ‘good’ combinations?

No, and yes. There are two components having to do with accumulators and pressure points. “Barrels” are accumulators, and not necessarily one-to-one with pressure points (see Hitter’s pattern below). Some pressure points can be used with different numbered accumulators instead. Whatever accumulators are used are in the order 4,1,2,3.

The Basic Pattern for Hitters specifies 3-barrel, 1, 2/3, right arm and simultaneous uncock/roll. But the pressure point combinations are only 1 and 3, and not 2. The hitter emphasizes hand action rather than wrist action. Uncocking is done by the straightening right elbow.
You want more wrist action turn the left hand (only) to the top of the grip so that it cocks and uncocks in line with the right wrist bend, strong double-action (left wrist cock, right wrist bend), but angle hinging. “Very compatible with cut shot procedures.” (Vertical hinge action.)

The Basic Pattern for Swingers specifies 3-barrel, 4, 2 and 3, and the pressure point combination is 4/2/3. Pivot power culminating and manifest in the right shoulder, wrist uncock and roll, decidedly sequential, thus the use of PP#2 to sense the CF-induced uncocking left wrist. The right arm is a passive force, present but non-accelerating. At least it provides the necessary extensor action. The #1 pressure point is not listed however. Assumed, or use #3 for EA.
PP#3 is used for lag pressure because it’s never released. The #3 accumulator is never out of line with the left arm vertical plane of motion. (See Taly training aid articles.)

As always quoted, “Avoid customizing the pattern variations until it approaches the Expert stage.” As such, these are the best combinations, chosen by Mr. Kelley, and the closest TGM comes to being a method. Strongly advised variations, but someone using different valid variations wouldn’t necessarily be advised to change them. I’ve substituted some.

Other combinations of 3 accumulators are of little use. 4-1-2, 4-1-3 have the same problem as 4-barrel, a CF conflict, subject to throwaway, or disturbance of natural inertial acceleration by an accelerating right arm, poor compression, inconsistent. Different hinge action than you’d planned to use maybe.
Two-barrel could have some specialty combinations. Let’s see, 1 and 2, 1 and 3, not 1 and 4, 2 and 3 (no pivot power, swinging with gravity only), 2 and 4 (angle hinging swing, no roll), not 4 and 3 (swingers use wrist cock).

‘zat about it? “A very satisfactory game can be developed without ever using more than a double-barrel, producing a wide variation of force, but theoretically less than all that is available.”

Shit, talk about thorough!! Ha, you know how to answer a question: )

My confusion then lies in the difference/relationship between PP’s and accumulators. I’ll do some more research.

Ah, light bulbs flickering now.

1 Right arm bending and straightening.
2 The left wrist cocking and uncocking
3 The entire left arm flying wedge turn and roll
4 The left arm across the body and back to in front.

The PP’s are sensors for those?

I should have got this by now, sorry, but always best to be very clear. It’s one thing to know this, another to understand, I’m heading for the latter now thankfully.

You got it.

PP#3 also for lag pressure as it’s never released. And it can be used for extensor action instead of #1 but guard against flattening the right wrist doing that. A hitter could feel like it’s hitting with a tight forefinger and thumb grip, #1 and #3 together. A swinger could relax the #1 PP, hence the right palm off the grip we see in some players in follow-through.

“You’re gonna want to insure the right forearm and the #3 pressure point for a million bucks.” HK
“You can swing in your sleep, but you guys are gonna go nuts over hitting.” (ed: once you learn it.) HK

Thanks for the help there Loren.

And thanks from me Loren. That is good.

I love it when Loren gets on a posting roll like the last couple of days. Lots of great information!

Thanks,
Kevin

Kev,

And it is covers the question so well from every aspect.

Agreed Dart. Following you, Yoda, Loren, and Guru, I feel I am in very good hands. What a great journey!!!

Hey, do you guys look at your countryman’s website, John Furze? Lot’s of great stuff there as well! Seems like another Top Bloke. Man, if we dig just a little, there is no end to the teaching of Homer Kelley and The Machine!

Kevin

Loren, this is great. Thanks for the thoughts on the draw. Yeah, I’m still working hard on that ball position and it’s getting there. I think the thing for me with hitting is that I can control the draw more than I could when I was swinging the head at the ball. I never could tell how slight or severe the draw would be when I was letting the face close over through the ball. I have more of a sense of a trapped draw now, which does add up to the ball position thing. Does that make sense?
Cheers, man….
B

Been considering all this very much. Thinking mostly about grip position in relation to strong and weak. Got another question.

If the hitter is using acc #1 and #3 as a focus, should then the set up be more focused on the initial placement of the right/bottom hand and then the left/top? Just wondering as I have been putting my left hand on first with alignment then my right, if I’m hitting (?) maybe I should be thinking more about right hand first. Maybe that’s more pedantic than I need to be?

I understand where you are coming from in terms of feeling the shot/swing Stinks, but I see two main problems with setting your right hand first.

1) your left hand primarily controls your club face alignment, setting your right hand first would potentially diminish this.

2) the palm of your right hand needs to nestle over your left thumb, hard to do properly if you set your right hand first.

Fair comments. I did notice on Fox last night someone doing it though, think it was on the Euro tour? Guess it would be #3 you’d be setting first? Then nestle in #1?

Spot on Dave, theres a curved line on your right palm that is where your left thumb goes.