oi,weetixbixticks,we are all expecting you to break 80 on the gold coast mate so get out on the course and practice till you drop.:)

No pressure Dr Nick!

I rate myself a good chance.

For 9 holes at Emerald Lakes! :-)

Shot a 79 today as a “manipulated hands swinger!”

note from LBG Golf”

What I needed, a good “butt” ressing of my concepts (careful out there kids)!

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04-21-2005, 09:36 PM

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Re: The Model – Mr. Hogan
Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
GG,

It is always a hand controlled pivot. Awareness of the hands is vital to a good golf swing and Homer gave us many ways to educate them.

That said, the hands will have a heck of time staying on plane if the pivot is not trained correctly. Fortunately it is not hard to understand the role of the pivot outside of accomodating the motion of the hands. There is really just one major function; weight shift.

The proper weight shift makes the start down automatic. For example, as the hands and club reach the “end” of the backstroke the weight is shifted laterally targetward by movement of the lower body, namely the hips. The hip bump is just a couple of inches targetward (assuming you haven’t swayed). This does several good things. It “clears” the hips so there isn’t any roundhousing, it fully loads most of the power accumulators, it provides axis tilt, and gets the hands in their on-plane downstroke alignments. Once the hands and right shoulder are put on plane by the weight shift, all thats left is taking the hands and right shoulder down and out. Some golfers like to drop the hands to a flatter plane at that point, but it’s an option. Aim the butt of the club at the inside quadrant of the ball and take them down that line. The pivot will respond to the aiming of the hands by pulling them downplane through hip rotation. The key is that the hand alignments and speed are controlling the body turn. The straightening right arm helps and extensor action provides a constant speed. Mind in the hands. Awareness in the hands. The body responds.

It sounds like a lot, but it’s all automatic once the weight is shifted and the hands are released on their assigned downstroke path by the turning hips.

So setting up for the weight shift is really important. I like Hogans model and so does Lynn. He showed me how to set up the pivot last November and it’s made a huge difference.

Bagger
Bagger,

Could you please expand on “how to set up the pivot”? Thanks man!

Richard
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Aloha Mr. Hand
Behold my hands; reach hither thy hand

Quote: #9
04-21-2005, 10:52 PM

Aloha,

LBGICT

A lovely chipping method!

Isolate your front hand directly over the ball with a vertical left wrist about 45 degrees to the target line and RFT a little to a lot to see the variety of shots and outcomes of this dependable method.

LBGICT

RFT?

The missus and kid have been on to me about what I want for Father’s Day. Had nothing that I needed, and have been eyeing off the new TaylorMade ATV wedges since they were released. And I have a couple of vouchers to make it about budget.

So down to Drummond yesterday, had a couple of swings in the nets – pitches – and came home with a 54 degree with wedge shaft.

Well, I haven’t come home with it yet – the boy has it hidden until next weekend!

I’ll probably only get to try it once or twice before the National, so possibly it won’t be in the bag then.

But who am I kidding – it will be in the bag for the first time in anger at Emerald Lakes! :-)

Unless in practice it turns out to be terrible – but that seems unlikely.

The missus and kid have been on to me about what I want for Father’s Day. Had nothing that I needed, and have been eyeing off the new TaylorMade ATV wedges since they were released. And I have a couple of vouchers to make it about budget.

So down to Drummond yesterday, had a couple of swings in the nets – pitches – and came home with a 54 degree with wedge shaft.

Well, I haven’t come home with it yet – the boy has it hidden until next weekend!

I’ll probably only get to try it once or twice before the National, so possibly it won’t be in the bag then.

But who am I kidding – it will be in the bag for the first time in anger at Emerald Lakes! :-)

Unless in practice it turns out to be terrible – but that seems unlikely.

Starting 2012 on unofficial 17, target 12 then single figures
Member of the South East Queensland Golf Group
LEARN then PERFORM – Geoff Mangum

LMAO bloody golfers are so crap at self control with new toys.

You know it! :-)

Quick range trip this afternoon. I am still working hard on sorting out this grip. I keep getting it more and more diagonal across the fingers rather than straight across, but I fight it. By the end tonight it was deep across the fingers, which was getting my right shoulder higher and my head further back towards my right side – which Fos got HP to post to me after looking at a video so that is probably a good sign. But it just feels so much as though I am going to hit huge nasty hooks.

Don’t think I hit a hook apart from a couple of drives I quit on. So it is mental not physical, but I am fighting and fighting myself!

Got it going OK with some chipping after I hit a couple of buckets. Didn’t do enough pitching or full swings to really get a sense of it. I was hitting them definitely a bit straighter, and more left than right for sure. Definitely need to have another bucket or two – if nothing else to convince myself it is the right grip! And also so that I know where to aim to allow for the normal variation.

Did a bit of sand practice too. Started off terrible. Shanks are us! But started getting my swing path better and everything improved. So that was a good reminder not to swing at the ball with the hands. Which is a good reminder for all my shots.

Probably the most important thing for me from today, and to practice between now and Nationals is short game tempo – putting, chipping and pitching – one-potato-two-potato.

While with chipping and pitching don’t actually work to that tempo it works because it helps me to finish the back swing, and not rush the downswing. Makes a huge difference.

just dont decel wetisbest,see to many players take the club real far back and slow it down causing shanks and blades etc.

Echoing my own thoughts Nick, but it’s about trusting my body and not pulling out because of fear of over hitting it. It is a discipline that I need with my putting too.

It’s actually about two things for me. First is that I absolutely do not want or need to get consciously involved in touch – that is my body’s job only. Second is that I need to train myself to not lose that intentionality – what I am trying to do with the ball. I can focus on the swing if I want – balance on left foot, hand path, feeling the club head swing back, whatever – but not at the expense of intending to hit the ball a certain way or in the hole.

But it’s good to distract my conscious mind with the tempo count, and let the body deliver what I’ve told it to.

Echoing my own thoughts Nick, but it’s about trusting my body and not pulling out because of fear of over hitting it. It is a discipline that I need with my putting too.

It’s actually about two things for me. First is that I absolutely do not want or need to get consciously involved in touch – that is my body’s job only.
you still have to train your body what touch is,you might have some natural touch at the start but you can improve on it as time goes on.

Second is that I need to train myself to not lose that intentionality – what I am trying to do with the ball. I can focus on the swing if I want – balance on left foot, hand path, feeling the club head swing back, whatever – but not at the expense of intending to hit the ball a certain way or in the hole.

when it comes to swing thoughts,i just think about the takeaway line i drag the club back,oh and keeping my head behind the ball.ill explain better when i meet ya.

But it’s good to distract my conscious mind with the tempo count, and let the body deliver what I’ve told it to.

Starting 2012 on unofficial 17, target 12 then single figures
Member of the South East Queensland Golf Group
LEARN then PERFORM – Geoff Mangum

Agree about touch. What I have finally realised is that training touch and executing shots is not about trying to consciously control the touch.

My thoughts for the full swing are maintaining balance in my left foot, and keeping my eye on the back of the ball.

Breaking 75!!!
I have a few questions. I have gone from being a fan of Hitting to a “manipulated hands ” Swinger. I have also lost over 10 pounds on an Atkins/Paleo type diet. As a result, my sense of balance is almost non-existant.

Nevertheless, I shot a 79 the other day. I simply swung my clubs all the way to the top until I felt my left wrist fully vertically cock and then I aimed the club head at the inner quadrant or center back of the ball and pulled down to the aim point.

So here’s the question. I am 5-11” and still 223 (from 233) pounds and can get the ball out on average about 260. The aiming point technique yields excellent driver and iron accuracy. So is the difference between a pro’s distance and mine simply a function of athletics mostly or mostly fitted equipment and swing-weights?

I know from Lynn’s teaching that I do not think of the steps my body needs to do to reach for a cool glass of water. Likewise, I am getting to that point in Swinging at the ball just by aiming at it with a a very simple checklist like: “target line, ball position, hinge, trace and aim.” Am I missing a big piece somewhere?

Right Forearm Takeaway=make a fanning motion with your right forearm or back forearm by bending your elbow a lot to a little and keep the vertically cocking left wrist over the ball or close to it.

Right Forearm Takeaway=make a fanning motion with your right forearm or back forearm by bending your elbow a lot to a little and keep the vertically cocking left wrist over the ball or close to it.

I should add that this technique is covered for Impact Fix by Paul in one of his excellent instructions.

Breaking 75!!!
I have a few questions. I have gone from being a fan of Hitting to a “manipulated hands ” Swinger. I have also lost over 10 pounds on an Atkins/Paleo type diet. As a result, my sense of balance is almost non-existant.

Nevertheless, I shot a 79 the other day. I simply swung my clubs all the way to the top until I felt my left wrist fully vertically cock and then I aimed the club head at the inner quadrant or center back of the ball and pulled down to the aim point.

So here’s the question. I am 5-11” and still 223 (from 233) pounds and can get the ball out on average about 260. The aiming point technique yields excellent driver and iron accuracy. So is the difference between a pro’s distance and mine simply a function of athletics mostly or mostly fitted equipment and swing-weights?

I know from Lynn’s teaching that I do not think of the steps my body needs to do to reach for a cool glass of water. Likewise, I am getting to that point in Swinging at the ball just by aiming at it with a a very simple checklist like: “target line, ball position, hinge, trace and aim.” Am I missing a big piece somewhere?

Breaking 75!!!
I have a few questions. I have gone from being a fan of Hitting to a “manipulated hands ” Swinger. I have also lost over 10 pounds on an Atkins/Paleo type diet. As a result, my sense of balance is almost non-existant.

Nevertheless, I shot a 79 the other day. I simply swung my clubs all the way to the top until I felt my left wrist fully vertically cock and then I aimed the club head at the inner quadrant or center back of the ball and pulled down to the aim point.

So here’s the question. I am 5-11” and still 223 (from 233) pounds and can get the ball out on average about 260. The aiming point technique yields excellent driver and iron accuracy. So is the difference between a pro’s distance and mine simply a function of athletics mostly or mostly fitted equipment and swing-weights?

I know from Lynn’s teaching that I do not think of the steps my body needs to do to reach for a cool glass of water. Likewise, I am getting to that point in Swinging at the ball just by aiming at it with a a very simple checklist like: “target line, ball position, hinge, trace and aim.” Am I missing a big piece somewhere?

You’re asking the wrong man LBG :-) If it works though, and it works for a few rounds, then I suspect you’ve got a good thing going. My approach is quite different t the moment, so I have nothing to add to what you’ve got going.

All the best with it though. Keep posting what’s happening.

Did some putting and chipping practice at home today. Working on that ‘across the fingers’ grip in the left hand, and chipping with good tempo. And putting with good tempo.

Putting was good. Keeping my left hip stable throughout the stroke, and powering the stroke with the muscles of my waist, and counting to myself one-potato-two-potato and was hitting some nice straight shots with good speed at the cup. Want to do a lot more putting practice before the Nationals.

Chipping was also good practice. Got the grip more sorted. And was able to focus on practicing hitting my target by swinging with the same tempo as putting.

Was also practicing something that I read on Geoff Mangum’s forum and that Headpro had talked and written about – a sort of soft focus with the eyes during the swing. Mostly I do it by focusing on feeling my weight in my left foot throughout the stroke and my eyes will not be focussed on the ball tight, but more of an unfocused thing.

I don’t think that what Head pro trains people to do is to focus somewhere else to get the soft eye focus, rather I think he trains for the conscious to disassociate a bit (probably not a very good technical description, I don’t know) during the swing. But by feeling the balance I free my body more to execute the swing and use my natural touch.

Seemed to work OK today. We’ll see more practice to come. Not sure whether the soft focus, or a more laser like focus on a specific spot on the ball will work better for me. Definitely some experimenting to do but I think that there are good reasons for the soft focus idea.

Fun to experiment, and hopefully see my short game continue to improve.

Hit the range tonight for a bucket, some chipping and some sand.

First the pitching and full swings. Really settled on the grip today and wanted to just work on and test the exact set up. Can’t say I definitely have it but I am getting there.

So overall the pitching was very solid. Hit a couple thin, but most were solid and straight at the target. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come and I can get back to working on distance control.

The consistent theme for pitching and full swings was back swing path. In the end just aiming to keep the hands vertical and letting them go where they will, while maintaining my sense of balance seemed to work OK.

I find that I hit really solid shots when I feel my balance, and feel the pressure in my right foot and then press into my left foot. But I don’t find this is something that I can do consistently. Could be just something I need to work on and practice as a mental discipline. Something for me to keep in mind.

Mostly my approach remains feeling the swing in my left foot, and swinging the hands back and through. For full swings and pitches! And it was working pretty well tonight. A few hooks, a couple of pushes and a few good. Mostly good! :-)

So hopefully my set up and swing is in a good place heading for the Nationals!

Chipping practice was pretty good. While I’d had some success with swinging the hands I find that my touch and consistency is best when I swing the club head. Although that may be a poor way to describe it. My attention is on my left foot, and counting my rhythm. But I can feel the club head and my intention is to hit the ball to the hole.

I am going to need to keep practicing and practicing as this, along with putting, is the key to my ongoing improvement. To be honest the green at the range is terrible at the moment, but it’s my body’s job to adapt to the surface so any practice is probably better than nothing.

There is nothing wrong with the bunker though. I am still inconsistent as anything from the sand. But by focussing on hitting under the ball on a slight down I was getting good results. Also, being aggressive on the downswing is important. Shortening the back swing, rather than slowing the swing speed, do adjust distance is my preferred option at the moment.

So was a good couple of hours. Enjoyed myself. Got a bit of confidence with the grip. And hit some good shots in all areas.

Bring on the Nationals! :-)

Bloody hell, bix. Can’t see you breaking 80 by swinging the club head in the short game or the long game for that matter. Lag or hands leading the clubhead through impact is key.
Don’t let me down at the Nationals.:)

Will do my best raz.