Who do you back? Company or the unions? I got to say I have a lot of sympathy for the unions/workers in this case. And generally i am not a big fan of union action. TO me it looks like Qa is trying all it can to shift all costs to offshire cheap option. I prepared to pay more if I knew that the guy steering the plane is happy, paid, and well trained.

And when you realise the CEO Joyce received a 71% pay rise last year, you kinda want to take the workers and unions side.

How far do they go?
How long will it take for the punters to get that pissed off with the constant strikes and cancellations to completely give QANTAS the flick and the company folds, where does that leave the workers??
The Unions will still have their jobs…

As much as it doesn’t seem far that Joycey gets his raise, that is one bloke getting an amount of money, abelt a lot of money but if the thousands of workers each wanted thousands more, that is a lot of thousand thousands of dollars, that is a lot less sustainable

When are Australian Workers Going to realize that in the Small world in which we live now. They are Rapidly pricing themselves & the Businesses that employ them out of the Market.
No matter wether you support Qantas or the Unions The facts are that it is cheaper for Australian Businesses to go offshore for their Labour .
And They NEED to do that to stay Competative on the World Market.
I might add that many European Nations are in a worse Situation & finding it very difficult to get people to give up allowances that have become commonplace but theGovernments are no longer in a Situation to be able to pay them.
Bumps suggestion that Qantas could go down is not that outragious if you look at the global Financial situation

Go the workers! If a Australian whole work force isnt more important than one irish immigrant what hope do we have.

Qantas will go the way of Ansett….the unions screwed and screwed them until the company could no longer operate viably with ridiculous wages and conditions. Why would anyone want to risk flying Qantas when there are many as good RELIABLE airlines. Example: I’ve just booked a return flight to Bangkok via Thai Airways (who know how to look after their passengers) for $880….same flight with Qantas was $1550…...a no brainer.

Ahhhhh what was QANTAS’ profits last year. I think you will find they are still one of the most profitable and healthy airlines going around.

Joycey’s bonus this year looks like it will be dwindling by the day :)

I don’t know the in’s and out’s but the Unions usually understand the balance between pushing too hard and risking jobs if you make the company unsustainable with outrageous demands. Go the workers.

Qantas will go the same way of Ansett .What a load of Bulls@#t.If you get Qantas airplanes serviced outside of Australia .Just watch them fall out of the sky.We have some the best airplane safety in the world .So why go over seas .Because of cheaper labour rates .

REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

yep, been going on for years, they should have paid them more years ago, greed…...........

I listened to Alan Joyce on sky news this AM and the prick can hardly speak english.

Give the workers a pay rise you miserable grub,.

QANTAS is and has been in the process of moving offshore for the last 5 years.

QANTAS is fkd when the carbon tax comes in anyway

never fly quant arse so they can do what they like.
in saying that, the ceo pay rise is a bit rude tho

New Qantas lounges currently being renovated in major international airports, new uniforms being designed for all cabin crew, pilots on up to 500k a year, senior cabin crew on up to 100k a year. And so so many more variables to take into consideration.

Their CDB would be massive….

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I don’t know the in’s and out’s but the Unions usually understand the balance between pushing too hard and risking jobs if you make the company unsustainable with outrageous demands. Go the workers.

I have worked in industries ruled by unions, most of the officials are from Irish or Scottish background, they could not give a stuff about jobs it’s like the politicians only looking out for themselves.

one word GREED!

Unions outlived their usefulness a long time ago. Qantas workers need to pull their heads in and get on with the job.

Unions outlived their usefulness a long time ago. Qantas workers need to pull their heads in and get on with the job.

Agree with you Nick….my daughter was an Ansett casualty back in 2001. She said to me more than once it was a dream job and she thought she was grossly overpaid. She was more than happy with her package and could not understand when the unions kept pushing for more. The result is history.

John Howard had the right idea, but he took it too far and then greedy employers stuffed it completely.

Why can’t we be satisfied? Why always be greedy?

Can anyone tell me of a product or service that is the same price or cost now as it was 15 years ago?

I flew to London in 1995 for $1900 on Malaysian, did the same flight this year for $1850!

Maybe, we have got to used to cheap airfairs. Where the line in drawn for value,,,, I dont know

A mate in the industry said QANTAS only makes money on the regional routes and that the A380 routes to LA is only better than break even point, can anyone confirm?

AG

Can anyone tell me of a product or service that is the same price or cost now as it was 15 years ago?

I flew to London in 1995 for $1900 on Malaysian, did the same flight this year for $1850!

Maybe, we have got to used to cheap airfairs. Where the line in drawn for value,,,, I dont know

A mate in the industry said QANTAS only makes money on the regional routes and that the A380 routes to LA is only better than break even point, can anyone confirm?

AG

Flush it, chunk it, flush it, chip it, hole it 5 a half!
Flush it, flush it, three putt the half!

It begs the question were the fares too expensive then and the correct price now?

Unfortunately these days it is vital to think globally as opposed to domestically.
If you owned a company and had the option of getting a service done locally at an exorbitant price, or getting the same service done internationally for substantially less, what would you choose?

The best examples of this are airlines such as Emirates or Qatar air. It is cheaper for them to employ fully foreign workforces than employ locals, and in doing so are very successful airlines.

Since Qantas is not state owned, it does not owe anything to the people of Australia and should be treated and run like any other business.

Does anyone know what various people get paid? I would not begrudge a pilot a decent paypacket. crap hours, years of training, in fact constant training your whole career, I would have thought experienced, long haul A380 be at least $150k.

150k may sound great, but the biggest issue is that there are thousand of English speaking fully trained Malaysian, Chinese and Taiwanese pilots that would be pleased to fly a plane for a third of what an Australian pilot is asking for.

When I came to Aus in 1981, I started work doing exactly the same as I was in the UK. My wage was more than twice my wage in the UK and I did not have to work anywhere near a hard. It has always been a source of amazement at how little effort the average Australian puts in at work for the money they demand.

A1984 has hit the jackpot.

150k may sound great, but the biggest issue is that there are thousand of English speaking fully trained Malaysian, Chinese and Taiwanese pilots that would be pleased to fly a plane for a third of what an Australian pilot is asking for.

The average house price in Australia is $600K comes back to the failures of free trade?

When I came to Aus in 1981, I started work doing exactly the same as I was in the UK. My wage was more than twice my wage in the UK and I did not have to work anywhere near a hard. It has always been a source of amazement at how little effort the average Australian puts in at work for the money they demand.

A1984 has hit the jackpot.

don’t like lies, young people using golf carts when they are fit, abusive posts.

I bet you didn’t hand any back, or did you put in twice the effort your Australian co-workers did to ease your guilt.

Give the workers more.