I unsubscribed from receiving your weekly updates due to the arrogence and rudeness I encounted on your forums only to see it was there again.Please dont send any more.

Paul h. Sorry to hear about family trauma. All the best
TERRY

does this sentiment still stand my friend?
Glad to see that you've decided to stick around

QUOTE: Ghetto Golfer @ Apr 20 2007, 10:05 PM

does this sentiment still stand my friend?
Glad to see that you've decided to stick around

No mate,ALL BETTER NOW,hope I havnt offended anyone.I was just a bit @#$% off
Brownie

brownman,

Not singling you out because it happens to MANY newcomers on here, but there is an obvious gap in advisable netiquette that gets newbies in trouble. In your case, the advice you got and didn't like was probably a lot more useful to you than you could realise, so it is a shame if you dismiss it because of its form. The repondents in question haven't had hours to work with you on the range 'nor do they know they might get to do so in the future, so a brief macro-response to help you establish your priorities was perhaps the best tonic, no matter how blunt.

On ISG:

Picture a room with lots of people in it socialising. They have been doing so for ages, years even, and many regulars know each other's quirks, styles and what level of directness or informality they use.

Someone new walks in the room (doesn't matter if they have been lurking out the door listening for five years, those in the room aren't necessarily the wiser and know nothing of the person). Said new person would in real life always introduce themselves, and take time to learn how people respond to them on their merits.

Two things that pee me off are those who storm in the door firing and don't seem to understand why they aren't immediately respected. You would

NEVER

expect it in real life but the internet means people should feel abused and touched up just for the sake of accommodating a new person's whim or unseen and unknown emotions?

The other thing is when people rush in to cuddle a scorned newbie who has come in with guns blazing. Encourage every newbie, but don't defend them flaming a regular who is just being themselves. It is their own fault if they didn't take the time to see how such a response should be taken. If the newbie is genuine, they will settle in and work out who they like and who they don't. Newcomers have to be encouraged and welcomed, but they need to at the very least be willing to shake hands and introduce themselves first. That's just life. They don't have to if they don't want to. That's fine. As long as they can take the possible response they'll get. They don't want to go through niceties, but they expect every other forum member to do so for them? Give it a rest.

Two things that pee me off are those who storm in the door firing and don't seem to understand why they aren't immediately respected.

Do you have anything to say about the old timers who shoot first and ask questions later each time a newbie arrives on the scene?

Have you noticed the old timers fawn over the newbie who they know to be a golfing identity?

Picture a golf course with no bunkers, and a reviewer ...

QUOTE: Dingo @ Apr 22 2007, 08:34 AM

Do you have anything to say about the old timers who shoot first and ask questions later each time a newbie arrives on the scene?

Sure, you can add that in too if you like. Though I notice in many instances (not claiming all), the "old timer" is not acting out of character. So the newbie's reaction is often exaggerated. Agree it is a two way street though.

For the example you cited, I apologise for pointing out you didn't read enough to comment obviously. Both publicly and privately, I apologised profusely to them, and it was accepted by them instantly, whereas it may be taking you a little longer? I wasn't aware that nobody is entitled to ever apologise.

Did you also not notice that my post in question was nominated in the thread for most stupid posts ever? And did you notice who nominated it?

Have you noticed the old timers fawn over the newbie who they know to be a golfing identity?

Yep. Some have little choice (by association, existing/potential circle of acquaintances or being identified due to such association). Others are just pukeworthy.

Both publicly and privately, I apologised profusely to them, and it was accepted by them instantly, whereas it may be taking you a little longer?

Relax. This alias is new, but I've been around long enough to know who's who and what's what.

The Melton reference was merely to indicate that I'm not really a newbie.

I have been treated like one though, and so I can sympathise with others.

QUOTE: Dingo @ Apr 22 2007, 08:53 AM

I have been treated like one though, and so I can sympathise with others.

Did you "introduce" yourself over time?

Lurkers or new identities never seem to take into account that they may know others, but the others know nothing of them. You can't just breeze through the door as if you were always in the room. Like my major post above says, you wouldn't do it in real life and be accepted. So here shouldn't be any different.

Honestly though, have you felt I've treated you like that? If so, sorry.

Honestly though, have you felt I've treated you like that? If so, sorry.

What I've had is very mild compared to others. It has been interesting to be 'chipped' by a few (not you, but Jack for one) who have never have done it in the past.

Did you "introduce" yourself over time?

No, and I'm quite happy being anonymous. I quite enjoy the freedom to speak my mind more directly. It means that my arguments succeed or fail based on what I say rather than any pecking order. On the few occasions people have tried to use the pecking order, I've been free to put them back in their box. Little wonder so many people have so many aliases!

QUOTE: Dingo @ Apr 22 2007, 08:53 AM

Relax. This alias is new, but I've been around long enough to know who's who and what's what.

The Melton reference was merely to indicate that I'm not really a newbie.

I have been treated like one though, and so I can sympathise with others.

Why did you off-load your other ISG identity?

Using TT's analogy above - That is like walking into a room, giving an impression of yourself to others (and not liking their response to it), walking out and then walking straight back in again to pretend that you have never been in there before and start from scratch.

Dingo I have no idea who you are. And I really don't care either..

QUOTE: Jack @ Apr 22 2007, 10:54 AM

Dingo I have no idea who you are. And I really don't care either..

TTITHERIDGE,
ssshhhh,ssshhh,ssshhh,Mate,as a matter of interest HAVE you read all or indeed any of my posts since my initial posts.Maybe just maybe u should.Talking of nettiquette,u should maybe use some and read subsquent posts before u judge ANY newbie.Im so glad u didnt single me out.

There does seem an unusual tendency of rudeness to newbies on this site. I'd rate Fyrippu the worst. Although newbies that post like illiterates write text messages deserve all the opprobrium that comes their way.

QUOTE: Salacious Crumb @ Apr 22 2007, 08:56 PM

There does seem an unusual tendency of rudeness to newbies on this site. I'd rate Fyrippu the worst. Although newbies that post like illiterates write text messages deserve all the opprobrium that comes their way.

Does it count if half a dozen newbies are the same person.

Salacious Crumb, it a shame that FurryPoo is worth ONLY 78 times of what you are worth.

QUOTE: brownman @ Apr 22 2007, 07:33 PM

TTITHERIDGE,
ssshhhh,ssshhh,ssshhh,Mate,as a matter of interest HAVE you read all or indeed any of my posts since my initial posts.Maybe just maybe u should.Talking of nettiquette,u should maybe use some and read subsquent posts before u judge ANY newbie.Im so glad u didnt single me out.

Why quote Jack in your post
Is this you nev/sven ?

QUOTE: Fyirippu @ Apr 22 2007, 08:57 PM

Does it count if half a dozen newbies are the same person.

I was going to preface it with "I've had a lot of experience as a newbie and ...".

double post

QUOTE: Dingo @ Apr 22 2007, 10:34 AM

Have you noticed the old timers fawn over the newbie who they know to be a golfing identity?

Who is the golfing identity?

QUOTE: Moe @ Apr 22 2007, 09:50 PM

Who is the golfing identity?

C'mon Dingo, the world is waiting.

Did you play pennant against Tithers uncle in the 70s?

i had assumed dingo was rsheehy - was I horribly wrong?

QUOTE: Moe @ Apr 22 2007, 10:31 PM

i had assumed dingo was rsheehy - was I horribly wrong?

Don't you think rsheehy was good enough to play pennant in the 70s?

I knew he was, I just didn't realise he was a 'golfing identity' !

QUOTE: Moe @ Apr 22 2007, 10:41 PM

I knew he was, I just didn't realise he was a 'golfing identity' !

I had assumed he wasn't referring to himself as the 'identity'

I had assumed he wasn't referring to himself as the 'identity'

I'm definitely not a 'has been'. I'm a 'never was'.