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Schumacher - your views ?
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Seven-time (possible eight ?) world champion Michael Schumacher has stated will retire from Formula One racing at the end of the season. He was certainly "controversial" at times - where do you rank him as a driver ?
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Number 1. He didn't always have the fastest car and and he didn't always win the championship yet he challenged for the title every year. No one else in the last 30 years came close to doing that.
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Somewhere at the pointy end of the field but I wouldn't say that he is the "best ever" driver. He has been guilty of the odd dirty trick here and there but I suppose it depends upon whether fair play and morals come into the equation. As far as being a leader goes - he certainly pulled two teams together and took them to the top.
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Anyone that saw him deliberately take out Damon Hill in Adelaide, which cost Hill the World Championship, will never rate him as highly as his record suggests he should be. JJ
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Yeeeesssss - "I didn't see him" my arse
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I think Ayrton Senna would be challenging schumacher for the best driver in the last 30 years
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Probably the best ever. You don't get to the top unless you are a bit of a C*^T and he has that in spades.
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Stinky, There is a difference between being a bastard and outright cheating. JJ
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I didn't call him a bastard JJ
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He is not the first driver to do that and he won't be the last. Everyone seems to forget Senna did worse. Track the record of nearly anyone in F1 and you will find similar type incidents dotting their careers.
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Where did Senna do worse? Mexico?
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From memory he might of run someone of the track at Suzaka in Japan?
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Yes, Japan. The stupidest and most dangerous thing I have ever
seen done in a race car. He rammed into Prost at full throttle as
Prost tried to turn in to a corner. Senna didn't even lift
off after hitting him, driving him off the track and out of the
race.
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Clearly the best of his generation - possibly of all time... Schumacher in the wet (great leveller) was untouchable.
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Ahhh, that's right...thought that was in Mexico for some reason...was payback for prost the year before, but yeah...more than a little dangerous. That said, schumi has done more things more often than I ever remember Senna doing.
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can't wait for him to finish off...with or without the WC... he's done remarkably well in the last 6-7 races, but I feel that's more to do with his pitcrew team... it'll be interesting to see how Rakki goes in the Ferrari next year...
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Senna and Prost was a tit for tat thing - they did it to one another. Adelaide was different - Schumacher had hit the wall and his car was rooted. Hill was by far the fastest driver on the track and Schumacher drove across the track to take Hill out. It happened 20m from me and I can still remember the crowd going nuts - it was totally deliberate. JJ
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It would have been fitting to see Schumacher up on a murder charge if the deliberate crash had grave consequences...
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Whilst I dont agree with this kind of tactic, he was certainly not Robinson Crusoe if he did do it deliberately. Ayrton Senna was a classic at it as was Nigel Mansell and I am sure others as well but maybe before my time. As previously mentioned, he hasnt always had the best toys but always been the best driver. I wish Senna hadnt died because he was a great driver but also because he was in his prime and Schumacher was arriving. At the time, Schumacher was leading the championship in what became his first World title but his title was tainted because people said he only won because Senna died, failing to notice Schuey was leading and didnt look like losing the championship. Their battle over the following years would have been awesome. Lets not forget he won 2 titles with Bennetton. Yes that clothing company! For the last 30 years, if you havent been in a Williams, Ferrari or Renault you didnt have much chance of being in the top 5 much less winning the Championship!
Go Schuey, take eight! He is the Tiger Woods of F1.
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Schumi is the best. The speed of Senna and the brains of Prost. When he joined Ferrari they were complete rubbish and yet he still managed to win, I think, 3 races in his first year with them. For most of his career he raced in cars that were not the best in the field but still managed to win. When Ferrari finally gave him the best machinery he was just about unbeatable. His drive from the back of the grid at Suzuka in 98 was absolutely mega. Don't be surprised though, if in ten years people are talking similarly about a certain Spanish driver. Easily the best driver to emerge since Schumi.
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Unfortunately for mine, the quality of the car in F1 can cloud the quality of the driver so it makes the separation of the two extremely difficult. Whilst I question a lot of his tactics his driving in the wet was impressive and he is certainly in the top group of the best drivers in F1 history.
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The difference between Senna and Schumi was that Schumi's car was damaged and in a desparated attempt to hold on to the championship he tried to damage Hill's car so that he wouldn't finish the race and Schumi would win the Championship. Senna on the other hand had the championship locked up and had a premeditated intent to ram Prost before the race even started, partly for the championship and mostly out of anger and revenge.
Definitely. They often said that Fangio's greatest skill was
choosing the right team at the right time to drive for. Most
believe that Stirling Moss would have one a championship or three
if he had taken a seat that was offered in championship winning
teams and hadn't insisted on staying with british
manufacturers for most of his career.
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Schumacher's 1994 season read: 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, DQ, Acc, 1st, 1st [DQ], Ban, Ban, 1st, 2nd, Acc. A great final two races from Damon for sure but it would have been a travesty had he taken that championship. My modern top 10.
Senna I don't think anyone could argue with that.
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I dunno about that - how many DQ's and bans did Hill have that year. If he had more points than Shumacher then under the rules he deserved to win.
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What was the ban for that year? I hope your drivers are not meant to be in order...and I have no idea how Patrese got in there, he never won anything did he? Alesi would be closer to the mark maybe, or Hill or the young Villeneuve who have both won championships. My Top 10 in order
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