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India v Australia - 2nd Test
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Now that we have been thrashed in the first test, what do the Aussies need to do? Mind you, that innings from Dhoni was once in a lifetime. No respect. See it, hit it.
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The dig from MS was the difference, we batted “ok” in the first and it should have been competitive without Dhoni. We need spinners, but where are they? Where are all the kids who wanted to learn to be a spin bowler after growing up watching Warney
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Pick 11 batsmen, if we win the toss, send them in and hope they make 900 + runs and then declare, then hope our 22 batsmen can survive 2 days and get an honourable draw. Picking 2 spinners would be a start and tell the batsmen it is not a race and it is ok to play out a few maiden overs. England beat India in India with patience, something our batsmen do not seem to have. Have a look at how Wade throws his wicket away.
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Selectors are morons. They picked Lyon who bowled shite all summer on seaming wickets where we should have had 4 quicks. Then they go to a graveyard for quicks and pick 3 plus the all-rounder. Also agree with Shanks regarding Wade, Haddin has got more ability to grind away when the going gets tough as well as being a far superior keeper. Should drop Hughes and Siddle or Starc and bring in Smith and Doherty. Also get Clark at least one spot higher in the order. He is by far our best and since the beginning of time your best bat was at 3 except when you had a great team and then it was 4. Will not make any difference as our only chance is a few bombings. I have spent some time in Hyderabad and bombs go off all the time near Charminar so it is not without a chance.
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I am annoyed. I dont know what by more. The goat tracks they produce everytime they go there. Oh wait we can produce okay wickets for IPL. The media fiasco. The selection of a crap australian team. Not having 1 spinner in the squad. Batsmen going to india who cant play spin (most of em cant play swing either but not that important yet) i.e. cowan, hughes, wade. Wade batting at 6 when the guy had nfi against herath on decent wickets. Overrated indians with big mouths who are demi-gods as long as the ball doesnt get over knee high i.e ganguly, kohli,... I will think of some more soon. I am grumpy.
Initial Handicap (11/02/2012): 18.6 |
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Dohni was the difference, OH REALLY oh the pitch was doctored- OH REALLY the fact remains that if you are a Test match batsmen you should be able to play pace, swing and spin bowling to a very high level its not like spin was invented last week and this is the first time you are facing it-you are supposed to be a TEST batsmen the side is just crap end of story, the team in on the bottom end of the graph , whereas 10 yrs ago they were on top and england were on the bottom, know things have changed looking frwd to hearing this: “Send her victorious,
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Maybe they could send George Bailey over.
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Current Aussies are far from the best team in recent years, but don’t be surprised if we jag one or more of the remaining tests.
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Pray Nathan Lyon grows an extra finger on his right hand? If the selectors aren’t going to pick Doherty, Maxwell or Smith on a deck like that, then wtf are they over there for?
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Reckon I’m gona be in the minority here, but I thought seeing the pitch fall apart like that was awesome. These ‘drop in roads’ they play on these days are BORING!! Nothing but a batsmen paradise….. Finally the bowlers get something to play on…...
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Okay that was not real pretty Positives Negatives Way forward I am not real sure.. Disappointments and Game changers Way forward Rant over
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And a hearty HERE!!! HERE!!! Peg. I liked the quote, “we have 3 good pacemen in the side, they will do the job for us” well Durrrrrr. We have 3 reasonable spinners (not great mind you) over there, use the feckers….
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I’ll join you lippy. Test cricket needs to be exactly that – a test. A good side adapts to whatever conditions are thrown up. A great side conquers whatever conditions are thrown up. And I know we have differing opinions of Lyon, I want to clarify that in no way should he be the fall guy for the defeat. The deck suited spinners (that is spinnerS, plural). He needed a hell of a lot more help than he got. Where to from here – who knows, but the selectors have to do something.
As a cricketer the Coverdrive was the hardest shot to master. As a golfer, I can achieve it with frustrating regularity. |
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I always thought it was a given that spin bowling is more prominent on the sub-continent, and that you need to go into matches with more than just the one ‘token’ spinner… I think we were asking to lose that first test with just a set up… I wonder if the selectors are a bit like newly married women – with their eyes closed, they are thinking of England.
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token spinner, token keeper, token batsmen, token allrounders.. more tokens than you used to get at downtown.
Initial Handicap (11/02/2012): 18.6 |
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You don’t seem to recall the WACA pitches prepared during the Windies dominance. Certainly weren’t toned down to reduce the effectiveness of their pace barrage. The last couple of years the test pitches in Australia have seemed to return pretty much to historical “type” for each ground.
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This is what annoys me about the whole “doctoring” debate. Fact is that in Australia you get fast bouncy wickets in Brisbane and WACA. You get spin in Sydney and you get a green top in Melbourne. Adelaide is a batters paradise and Belrieve is a seamers pitch. In India you get one thing, and one thing only. A terrible pitch that breaks down in session two of day one. Oh…unless it is a one day game, then suddenly they can produce quality pitches. If you think each pitch is “doctored” then you may be right, but at least it’s a variation. Not the same thing every time.
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They only get half a chance, and if they don’t perform, they get dropped. Krejza for example, and he did perform (in his first crack, anyway) No wonder no one wants to be a spinner anymore, they get treated like shite, just like a winger on a footy team :-) (Why do footy teams have two wingers? So they have someone to talk to on the bus trip)
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In this case the two sides scored 380 and 515 in their first digs so nobody can claim the pitch was sub-standard, rather it was the selected Australian cricket team at fault.
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why did they send Agar home Look I know this kid has played only 3 first class games but he spins it – he can bat and no one knows how to read him we also have 4 openers Hughes all openers it doesnt work!! Watson bat warner at 6 I have been saying for a long time if he cxan come in when the bowlers are tired he could create havoc Bowlers drop Starc and Keep Pattinson and Siddle and Henriques add second spinner and I think Agar is the man but they wont because we are so conservative Watson at 3 Keep Henriques
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It seems we need a 2nd spinner but would be hard to drop Moses for Maxwell after Moses playing brilliantly. Lyon and Starc were poor but no way i would drop Starc. He is just as likey to come out and pick up 5 wickets next match. Maybe fly Zampa over to bowl some leg breaks. Or even better get Warner to bowl some of his Leggies
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Personally, I really struggle to understand our selectors. Why Stephen O’Keefe is not over there is just beyond me. He is the only Australia domestic spinner (with more than two or three games) to average under 30 with the ball in first class cricket, and also bats at a level near all-rounder status. And yet we have trialled every other options going around in the past few years (White, Hauritz, Smith, Hogg, Lyon, Doherty, Krezja, Beer, Casson, ... the list goes on and on), but SOK doesn’t get a run. Clearly he must have really annoyed someone behind the scenes. Anyway, blatant self-promotion time. Check out the new cricinfo blog section – I have just started writing historical pieces for them. As my golf game would attest, I know more about cricket history than the golf swing …...
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mate, you and everyone else with half a clue have no idea what they are doing.
Initial Handicap (11/02/2012): 18.6 |
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Clearly he must have really annoyed someone behind the scenes. – and there is your answer. A very strong philosophy of Clarkes is team harmony. SO’K might rock that boat! Yeah, but we might win a game
Handicap, I’m working on it. – Edit: Feb 2013 still, working on it. |
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11 batsmen – haha I like it.
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