I have seen enough to know this isnt sport.

Barey a rule – I cant see what people see in this thuggery type sport…

It’s kinda sad some find this out and out violence as entertainment

My view on this is mine….

Our youth are exposed to enough violence already
..Why do we need more?

Because anyone who actually plays MMA knows you need 100% discipline, respect, commitment and responsibility….something society is letting fall by the way side

I have seen enough to know this isnt sport.

Barey a rule – I cant see what people see in this thuggery type sport…

It’s kinda sad some find this out and out violence as entertainment

My view on this is mine….

Our youth are exposed to enough violence already
..Why do we need more?

We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give. Winston Churchill

It may well be sport but it’s not something I’d ever watch by choice.

Just like Boxing, it’s all fake and results predetermined.

Give me the real deal WWE any day. :)

The youth of today have probably games at home that are filled with more violence than MMA /UFC cage fighting or boxing and wwe combined. Lots of parents buy their kids these games without an issue.

Can’t say I’m a spectator of MMA and I don’t follow the sport but I do have the utmost respect for the competitors.
Anyone who makes a living by risking being beaten to a bloody pulp every time they enter the octagon deserves respect.

Because anyone who actually plays MMA knows you need 100% discipline, respect, commitment and responsibility….something society is letting fall by the way side

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

This is 100% true. As an outsider it would be easy to see it as just another violent slugfest but closer, careful inspection will show there is much more to the sport. There are plenty of rules, there just appears to be none.

I was never into boxing and when this became a little more mainstream I wasnt interested in MMA either. A friend at work got me to watch a couple of main events and now I can see why it is so popular.

Im not going to bang on coz I know I can bang on sometimes BUT I rang foxtel today and asked them maybe they could have seperate channel for this stuff and not show adds of it during the sports news and other sporting events because I often watch these with my kids and I dont want them seeing that stuff

They told me I needed to write to the some comsumer complaints commission which rates TV programs

it should be R rated in my opinion

anyways when we see this guys in 5 years with slured speach and brain aquired dementia then maybe we will view differently

Im not bagging others who watch it – freedom is a good thing hey I just wish it was on a seperate channel and not viewable on mainstream sports channels on fox

I’m with you dave_1_
mindless and not much more than a semi-controlled night at the ‘Cross.
Sorry to the lovers of organised violence, but it ain’t my cuppatea.

Warriors, most of them. Some dumb ass thugs too, but not the majority. Extremely difficult to do well in a sport this complex if you’re a fool.

The physical skills, toughness and courage of these men is incredible.

Like or loathe it, the skills on display in MMA are incredible. It’s not like boxing where guys get pounded for 30+ minutes with large gloves that cause repetitive concussive hits. The fights go for 25 min max & most are 15.

In MMA the ref stops the fight at the first sign of a guy being dominated & this may be a choke or an arm bar after only a few seconds combat. In boxing you get a ten count & get to stand up & be pounded again. Same in AFL or rugby. The newly concocted concussion rule is a joke.

At least both combatants are under clear auspices what is going to happen in the cage unlike other sports where you can lose your teeth diving after a leather ball.

Good points Tim.

I see it as thuggery on roids but yep people like it so it will stay

But I changed what I watched and play (video games) after having kids …

I just think we are flooding society with more violence – but as tim said they do stop it quickly.

the violence we are flooding society with now is a far cry from the days of gladiators where death was commonplace. There still is pockets of animal fighting occurring and this is a brutal and cruel practice that should be banned and jail for those responsible.

Good points Tim.

I see it as thuggery on roids but yep people like it so it will stay

But I changed what I watched and play (video games) after having kids …

I just think we are flooding society with more violence – but as tim said they do stop it quickly.

We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give. Winston Churchill

Dave you are entitled to not like it. But if you’re going to throw out comments like; “I see it as thuggery on roids” and “Barey a rule – I cant see what people see in this thuggery type sport…” you should really do a small amount of research first.

The rules in MMA/UFC are quite in depth and without a doubt there is a lot more rules in MMA than in Boxing.

The fighters are nearly always better off long term in MMA than they are in Boxing. Find me a punch drunk MMA fighter – they just don’t exist. This is because the sport is actually very safe (relatively speaking)

It may appear violent, but I wouldn’t consider two men consensually doing battle to be depicting “violence”. Both are aware of the rules and what they can and can’t do and both men, for the most part, show far more respect to each other than half the posters on this forum do most of the time.

Just because you can’t see the appeal in two men going mono e mono doesn’t mean it should be hidden from the general public, who for the most part are mature enough to understand what it is and not make such knee jerk reactions such as you have done.

Lots of surface damage in MMA – which is why there is often a lot of blood. But it avoids the sort of brain bruising that boxing suffers from because you can’t get concussed multiple times – the opponent will jump on you as soon as you lose the ability to control your body and the ref will stop it. Also the cushioned gloves mean you get hit more and your head bounces around but there is less direct concussive effect so you don’t actually stop fighting.

There are a lot of MMA fighters continuing well into their 30s and even 40s. Not common in boxing or Kickboxing.

Because anyone who actually plays MMA knows you need 100% discipline, respect, commitment and responsibility….something society is letting fall by the way side

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

... and no bathrobes.

I can’t protects my kids from all violence but I can explain it and teach them to avoid it if possible.

A bloody face created in a controlled environment is probably a good example of what to avoid.

Not my cup of tea either. It started out in the late 90’s as not much better or classy than human cockfighting. Nowadays it’s human cockfighting with a few rules. I agree with Dave on the exposure side of things – it should be quarantined in someway and not freely available on mainstream sports channels and there should certainly be no ads for it on those channels.
I’m far from being a wowser but I reckon this stuff is sick.

Not my cup of tea either. It started out in the late 90’s as not much better or classy than human cockfighting. Nowadays it’s human cockfighting with a few rules. I agree with Dave on the exposure side of things – it should be quarantined in someway and not freely available on mainstream sports channels and there should certainly be no ads for it on those channels.
I’m far from being a wowser but I reckon this stuff is sick.

Runner up (with Mark Gibson), 3 legged race, North Ainslie Primary School athletics carnival, 1966.

As I previously said to Dave – if you don’t like it, that’s fair enough. But don’t criticize it based off of uneducated assumptions you’ve made that hold no weight if you actually looked in to it.

Go have a read of the amount of rules there are in MMA fighting and you’ll quickly learn that there are a lot of things they are prohibited from doing.

You are right that the UFC took off in the early nineties. However, several forms of MMA on the other hand have been around for much, much longer than that – Think in terms of centuries.

I find all that reality TV far more concerning than a simple fighting sport. That garbage is giving kids who are exposed to it a false sense of reality and is far worse in my opinion than MMA.

If you want to quarantine anything, start there.

Because anyone who actually plays MMA knows you need 100% discipline, respect, commitment and responsibility….something society is letting fall by the way side

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

... and no bathrobes.

I can’t protects my kids from all violence but I can explain it and teach them to avoid it if possible.

A bloody face created in a controlled environment is probably a good example of what to avoid.

Nine out of ten people believe that out of ten people, one person will always disagree with the other nine!

Agreed….

Knowledge is power, education well before censorship. After all, it’s a big bad scary world out there.

Failing that, there is the parental lockout button…

Good points Tim.

I see it as thuggery on roids but yep people like it so it will stay

But I changed what I watched and play (video games) after having kids …

I just think we are flooding society with more violence – but as tim said they do stop it quickly.

We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give. Winston Churchill

Dave you are entitled to not like it. But if you’re going to throw out comments like; “I see it as thuggery on roids” and “Barey a rule – I cant see what people see in this thuggery type sport…” you should really do a small amount of research first.

The rules in MMA/UFC are quite in depth and without a doubt there is a lot more rules in MMA than in Boxing.

The fighters are nearly always better off long term in MMA than they are in Boxing. Find me a punch drunk MMA fighter – they just don’t exist. This is because the sport is actually very safe (relatively speaking)

It may appear violent, but I wouldn’t consider two men consensually doing battle to be depicting “violence”. Both are aware of the rules and what they can and can’t do and both men, for the most part, show far more respect to each other than half the posters on this forum do most of the time.

Just because you can’t see the appeal in two men going mono e mono doesn’t mean it should be hidden from the general public, who for the most part are mature enough to understand what it is and not make such knee jerk reactions such as you have done.

http://www.golflink.com.au/…

ease up

I said I dont criticise others or the sport

I just see it as thuggery – on roids

most atheltes are banned for 2 years for performance enhancing drugs

these guys are give like $2000 fines and 6 month bans!!

considering what there is probabaly only 100 or so top ranked fighters in the world thats a lot of positive tests

UFC does the testing – If ASADA was involved I suspect there would be a lot more positive tests

god help us if this sport ever makes the olympics

UFC drug cheats time lines

Not my cup of tea either. It started out in the late 90’s as not much better or classy than human cockfighting. Nowadays it’s human cockfighting with a few rules. I agree with Dave on the exposure side of things – it should be quarantined in someway and not freely available on mainstream sports channels and there should certainly be no ads for it on those channels.
I’m far from being a wowser but I reckon this stuff is sick.

Runner up (with Mark Gibson), 3 legged race, North Ainslie Primary School athletics carnival, 1966.

As I previously said to Dave – if you don’t like it, that’s fair enough. But don’t criticize it based off of uneducated assumptions you’ve made that hold no weight if you actually looked in to it.

Go have a read of the amount of rules there are in MMA fighting and you’ll quickly learn that there are a lot of things they are prohibited from doing.

You are right that the UFC took off in the early nineties. However, several forms of MMA on the other hand have been around for much, much longer than that – Think in terms of centuries.

I find all that reality TV far more concerning than a simple fighting sport. That garbage is giving kids who are exposed to it a false sense of reality and is far worse in my opinion than MMA.

If you want to quarantine anything, start there.

http://www.golflink.com.au/…

I can see why you like the violence and aggression so much – you’re getting rather aggressive defending MMA.
The bottom line is the object is to punch, kick, squeeze, inflict excuciating pain upon, etc an opponent into unconsciousness or submission. As I said, not my cup of tea but if you like to watch it, go for your life. I still maintain – it’s sick stuff.
No argument with your reality TV thoughts, I think most of it is rubbish.

I don’t watch it, but then again I dont watch bold & the beautiful either.

I said I dont criticise others or the sport

I just see it as thuggery – on roids

most atheltes are banned for 2 years for performance enhancing drugs

these guys are give like $2000 fines and 6 month bans!!

considering what there is probabaly only 100 or so top ranked fighters in the world thats a lot of positive tests

You have strange definition of a critiscm then.

Ok, so there’s been 23 fighters convicted of drug abuse since 2002 throughout all of MMA, not just the UFC. 60% of those actually lost their fights. At this point in time there is about 400 odd active fighters in the UFC alone and add to all the K1, Pride and Strikeforce fighters and you have quite a large number of active fighters. If you want to include every fighter since 2002 it’s going to be much more again.

Averaging 3 positive tests per year out of all of those fighters is hardly a high percentage. I’m sure nearly all competitive sports would have similar numbers to that.

You can stop using logical fallacies to make a point as well. Nearly all convicted were given at least 12 months suspension – some were reduced if there were other factors at play and only after being appealed and reviewed (this is no different to any other sport). $2500 for some of these guys (especially a couple of years ago) was a lot of money… also, they get paid per fight, so being suspended is a further financial punishment.

Look, as I’ve already said, if you don’t like it that’s fine. But don’t expect me to sit quiet when people falsely group the entire sport into a “thuggery on roids” category, when it’s clearly only a small handful doing the wrong thing. This is no different with any sport. You seemed compelled to make false assumptions and judgments on something you have little knowledge about, illustrated perfectly by this comment; “anyways when we see this guys in 5 years with slured speech and brain acquired dementia then maybe we will view differently”, so as I said earlier, if you want to criticize the sport, perhaps do some research and learn a bit more than just whatever your first impressions were.

Wanting it taken off TV is whole other issue regarding censorship and this country turning in to a nanny-state which I won’t get in to…

I’ve been watching MMA on TV for a while now. Sorta like the train wreck that I find it difficult look away from.

Make no bones about it. This is a brutal sport with a high risk of serious injury. There can be some thrilling contests but the viewing public need to see the consequences of the injury risk.

When someone is seriously hurt (not as in a freak accident) the camera angles conveniently avoid coverage of the (seriously) injured fighter on the canvas. The public need to be aware of the risks involved in this sport. Not for a moment do I think that Zuffa do it out of respect for the injured fighter. More like they’re trying to keep their coverage sanitised so that as a sport it can become mainstream; where the big dollars are.

I much prefer jello wrestling.

They are true athletes that can get themselves out of sticky situations.

When competitors get in the pool they risk serious calorie intake if they get it wrong.