One question I have to ask is- why the hell would the players voluntarily vote to be tested for non performance enhancing drugs? If I was a new player coming in, I would say get farked, I never voted for it. It is no one’s business if they are doing drugs. Their job does not endanger anyone if they are affected by drugs. This is the biggest load of crap.

Problem is jafflemaker that for some people who consistantly use recreational drugs, it invariably carries over into the work place.

I work in construction and believe me it’s not uncommon for blokes to disappear at smoko/lunch for a toke or smoking shards.

Sorry just re read your post, your talking specifically about the AFL workplace.

Would you want someone affected by drugs spotting you while your deadlifting 100 kgs??

I understand that TB, however, working in construction involves high risk activities that could have severe consequences- such as death. I wouldn’t want to work in construction with a colleague who was influenced by drugs as it could cost me my life.

Jaffle it is the law of the land not to consume illegal substances.

What is the definition of recreational drug, it has no definition in law.

Amphetamines are a “recreational drug” but can also be performance enhancing.

There should be zero tolerance,athletes are well paid and role models, zero tolerance is the only solution.

The AFL is weak on drugs and should apply the asada code, 2 years suspension when found out, end of story.

I think it is a load of bull dust. A panadol is also performance enhancing if it helps you get rid of a headache.

Any sporting body (WADA, ASADA) should only be testing for ‘performance enhancing’ drugs.

As for role models- bullocks. They are not my role model and they certainly won’t be my kids role model unless I see them doing charity work. Anyway, a footballer should be treated just like any other citizen. If they get busted by the jacks, they should get treated like anybody else.

What would you think if you got nicked for using ectasy and they then tell you they are going to tell your boss.

To be fair, this three strikes should extend to any club employee and AFL employee. I could see some administrators objecting to that.

Jaffle

What are performance enhancing drugs, amphetamine and that family of drugs are, they are also “recreational.”

If I get busted with ecstasy I don’t have a job, instant firing. If I am over .02 alcohol reading, same thing.

You need to put yourself in the shoes of children (maybe not your kids) that see footballers as role models, it is not ok to take drugs as far as the law goes, end of story.

As to whether drugs should be illegal, that is an entirely different debate.

Sorry just re read your post, your talking specifically about the AFL workplace.

Would you want someone affected by drugs spotting you while your deadlifting 100 kgs??

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Weightlifters are pretty commonly on steriods so it is quite likely the person spotting you may well be on drugs.

Jaffle

What are performance enhancing drugs, amphetamine and that family of drugs are, they are also “recreational.”

If I get busted with ecstasy I don’t have a job, instant firing. If I am over .02 alcohol reading, same thing.

You need to put yourself in the shoes of children (maybe not your kids) that see footballers as role models, it is not ok to take drugs as far as the law goes, end of story.

As to whether drugs should be illegal, that is an entirely different debate.

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

my point is that they don’t do a job that affects anyone if they are on weed. Why are they treated differently. Your job is obviously risky. I know if I told my workplace I was a drug user, they would offer the ability for treatment. As long as I was able to perform my duties they wouldn’t care.

TV stars are role models. Should they be drug tested at work?

I never use the term ‘recreational drugs’. They are ‘illicit drugs’.

TV stars are role models. Should they be drug tested at work?

I never use the term ‘recreational drugs’. They are ‘illicit drugs’.

Yes they should be, their contract with their employer would require them to be drug free.

Apart from anything else people on drugs are a risk to themselves and others and create OHS issues and integrity issues which are risk to them, others and their employers.

TV stars are role models. Should they be drug tested at work?

I never use the term ‘recreational drugs’. They are ‘illicit drugs’.

Yes they should be, their contract with their employer would require them to be drug free.

Apart from anything else people on drugs are a risk to themselves and others and create OHS issues and integrity issues which are risk to them, others and their employers.

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

what, a footy player may kick the ball too hard and injure a teammate or an actor might get his/her lines wrong and make the director punch them in the face. You are kidding me aren’t you?

Boy, can’t hang here long, dangerous for the likes of me.

But do continue, this could well be popcorn worthy!

(Jaff, I’m with you, but shhhhh)

Stinkler

I know your music could well suffer. I happen to quite like your music and well know artists think they discover creativity with the assistance provided. What is unclear for many is whether they would be better or worse without that assistance.

Get the popcorn ready.

Jaffle

Team sports in particular are about integrity and placing the team ahead of yourself. How would you feel if a talented teammate was not performing at his best and thus diminishing the team performance and you knew drug taking was the issue.

Remember Ben Cousins?

Drugs whether recreational or performance enhancing or both are illegal for a reason, society and the lawmakers who represent that society have decided so.

I hear you say, oh the nanny state, let the individual decide their own fate through complete freedom, fair enough lets get to a state of anarchy where everybody can decide what laws they like and will obey and what laws they will choose to ignore.

As I said before, whether drugs should be illegal is a completely different debate.

I understand that TB, however, working in construction involves high risk activities that could have severe consequences- such as death. I wouldn’t want to work in construction with a colleague who was influenced by drugs as it could cost me my life.

then why would you want to do it on a football field

Honestly, drugs etc can help you ‘explore’ some ideas, but performance is always better clear. A quiet nip to calm nerves is well and good, but to perform at your best drugs don’t really help. Though beta blockers are big with many performers and entertainers.

I guess though the difference is in outcome. An artist or entertainer may use something to enhance performance, but they aren’t in direct competition I guess.

Someone in sport has an opponent, that takes it into a different realm.

Popcorn is ready, I will read with interest, as long as you both are on the same gear? :)

jafflemaker

These afl footballers drive cars after a football match or after a training session dont they and during most of their daily routines

like any drug users doing it wether just for a kick out of it or for performance enhancing are putting everyone they come across at risk

they have to get to and from the game…

If your kid was killed by an afl player who is on performance enhencing drugs and was on the way to play his afl game…

ya going to sit their say he mate its ok buddy ya just killed my duaghter at least ya didnt do it in a work place ya was only doing to play a game of football

you make up ya own mind jafflemaker

zero tolerence across the entire board wether it be sport work or where ever

you may think they are not endangering lives of others however you forget they use transport in the same way we do some may use public transport some may get privately chueffered some may drive themselves to and from the game

Butter that popcorn Stinky as this is going to be fun.

So Shanky, are you suggesting that all employers are going to be an extension of the police force. That is not ‘nanny state’ stuff but a ‘police state’. WOW, big call, why don’t you go live in a police state and see how safe you feel.

How it would work in a team sport scenario is that someone not performing their best will either be dropped or teammates will have a word with the criminal to pull his head in. I believe a certain Collingwood player is on the outer with his senior teammates for such a thing. It is no different than a player who drinks loads and isn’t performing his best. What? That’s different because his vice is legal….bahahahaha.

hey oz, I understand your concern, but as I will continue to say, they should be treated like every other citizen. If they get pulled up by the cops and breath tested or drug tested- fair game. What are you suggesting, because they are an AFL player, they should be tested everytime they get in a car?

Pass me the popcorn.

Jaffle

I am not sure what world you live in, employers and employees are legally liable under OHS laws for “accidents” and also liable for bad decisions and outcomes made by employees.

Most workplaces are moving toward zero tolerance so in effect workplaces have become police states.

Swan has been on the outer for a while and he is leading Daisy down a dangerous path. He is tolerated at the moment because his play is better than the 23rd player available but as per Cousins at some point the liability will be too much. A fine example he is to the rookies just as another pies player was cruising strip clubs/brothels with a murderer.

Alcohol is not illegal but may effect performance and a team will therefore deal with that in a similar way to illegal drugs if the player is not performing to his potential.

Shanks, how many professions/trades/vocations have the ability to legally test their employees for drugs? I can only think of a few.

Police, construction, transport. I am sure their are a few others.

Can companies employ outside agencies to do it? Guess then it become a financial thing if so? Munch munch.

Shanks, how many professions/trades/vocations have the ability to legally test their employees for drugs? I can only think of a few.

Police, construction, transport. I am sure their are a few others.

The mining industry (very blue collar) have adopted this as have many others. You will find workplaces are changing including the trucking/transport industry.

Illegal drug taking generally has a negative effect on performance no matter where you are employed.

The West Coast Eagles were the poster boys for the bad outcomes when this is tolerated, players leaving for Melbourne to escape the underworld and the toxic environment they socialised in, players careers prematurely ending and worst still drug overdoses in Las Vegas and a death back in Perth.

If you think addiction and death is a good thing then by all means maintain your opening post stance.

It is a separate issue whether it should be a legal or health issue.

Can companies employ outside agencies to do it? Guess then it become a financial thing if so? Munch munch.

What is this golf game you talk of?

I would say all companies that do it have an outside service doing the dirty work.

Shanks, how many professions/trades/vocations have the ability to legally test their employees for drugs? I can only think of a few.

Police, construction, transport. I am sure their are a few others.

The mining industry (very blue collar) have adopted this as have many others. You will find workplaces are changing including the trucking/transport industry.

Illegal drug taking generally has a negative effect on performance no matter where you are employed.

The West Coast Eagles were the poster boys for the bad outcomes when this is tolerated, players leaving for Melbourne to escape the underworld and the toxic environment they socialised in, players careers prematurely ending and worst still drug overdoses in Las Vegas and a deaths back in Perth.

If you think addiction and death is a good thing then by all means maintain your opening post stance.

It is a separate issue whether it should be a legal or health issue.

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

do these industries have the ability to knock on the door of an employee on their day off and check if they are using drugs? Don’t think so squire. They only have the ability to make sure they don’t have any in their system when they are clocking on or in the midst of their duties.

Happy to stand by OP.