Fruit is not on the banned substance list, fairly simple.

Hi Bump, I see you are now providing legal counsel for fruit, I got a banana all bent out of shape about something, do you think you can help? He says he wants to go straight and I really do believe him.

Fruit is not on the banned substance list, fairly simple.

Hi Bump, I see you are now providing legal counsel for fruit, I got a banana all bent out of shape about something, do you think you can help? He says he wants to go straight and I really do believe him.

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Placegetter, if you require any councel for your bent banana I am the man to get it off.
I would start by looking at grip pressure with your left hand, you’d be amazed how a too tight a grip with your left hand will really bend your banana out of kilter. I am sure he will thank you afterwards

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Bad day at banksia today

Maybe you can do some good there

Wa corrections are the worst in the country and with Dh’s like you working there then it doesnt suprise me …

Maybe start with telling your officers that humans need sunlight!!

Your great at your job …NOT!!!

NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY

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He he he….it was only a question of time I guess…....
deary deary me, little Davey-baby, what an angry little boy you are….anger management problems have we?.........best see a counsellor about that:)

I’m afraid I can’t comment on Banksia little Davey-baby for a few reasons, the main one being that it is a juvenile detention centre and I am involved with adult custodial. Different rules/laws apply however, you are not allowed to use force against juveniles in most circumstances, whereas with adult custodial other processes apply to curtail such activities.

I think you have demonstrated quite amply from the content of your correspondence that nothing productive can be gained by continuing this topic, and frankly there is a limit to how much of a fool some people should be allowed to make of themselves in the public domain so bye bye little Davey-baby…...what an amusing and immature little idiot :)

Ok so what is considered as doping to enhance performance?
Where do they draw a line in the sand?
So if you take some thing natural which gives you protein, helps you recover better etc that is ok ? Although you take supplements and your a drug cheat?
You can take sugar hits from fruit extracts etc whilst riding this increases performance, although you shoot up the same stuff using a syringe from a lab and your a cheat.
A guy guzzles water all the way and another guy shoots up saline and he’s a cheat.

It doesn’t really make much sense.

My biggest question yeah he was on the juice and so was every one else, although if every one else was on it did he have an advantage over the others?
Lance Armstrong at the end of the day had a lower heart rate than the others, what this means is he could ride at the same cadence as the others with a lower heart rate. Cycling is a heart rate game. All Lance has to do is step up his cadence and heart rate going up hills. All he had to do is max out the others half way up the climbs, then would hit and wall, they would drop off. He only needs 500 metres start on them time he reaches the top, Once he got to the top he pedalled like hell and there is no catching him.

My biggest question is yes he cheated although what advantage did he have with them over the others being on them. It still boiled down to human performance didn’t it?
Lance still had the better heart rate and cadence over the others is how he still won.
If the others weren’t on it as well they had no hope against him. The others took them to be competitive. To me it appears Lance took them so he didn’t lose the edge he had over the others.

Seems like a one way street Lance gest fingered over it and because the others couldn’t keep up they resort to cheating, which in my eyes is even worse, then they point the bone at Lance he’s a drug cheat.

The ban on drugs is because they are performance enhancement, I think it is bull dust he got stripped of his 7 titles when everyone else was on the juice as well. If every one is on the juice how can it be deemed he had enhanced his performance over others who are also on the juice. Seem like an even playing field to me.
Fair play stripe the guy if he was the only dude on it although he wasn’t.
The biggest question is even though Lance was on drugs, like the others, did he still win it fair and square, if he did why strip him of his titles then. It still boiled down to human performance regardless of the drugs they were all on.
Not that I’m saying it is ok to take drugs either, just looking at it from another angle.

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great post mate… yes, illegal, broke rules etc etc… but let’s get back to the facts. Performance enhancing drugs were initially banned because people were dropping dead, fair call.

but when did we draw the line with EPO? Unless you use so much your blood turns into thick shake, it’s predominately used to help you get your blood count back to where it should be after intense training/competition. So what would be the issue using it in a controlled way? Like you said, proteins, creatine, glutamine are used for muscle growth and recovery (and they don’t just duck down to GNC and pick up a tub) cortisone injections used to reduce pain… not exactly natural either is it?

Think of this scenario, if you do a knee and need a reconstruction, you’re out for a year in a football code. On roids, you could be back in less than half that time… I’d have thought in that instance, as long as the player is clean when he takes the field, what’s the issue?

As for Dave_1s posts… amazing how little value he adds on the golf forums, and here I see him here sounding like he’s ready to pounce… Roid rage?

I am not sure if you’ve seen any of the results of some of the Tour de France of late, but Lance has won 7 of them because he has taken drugs, he has cheated and won all of his titles illegally… What point does it stop being about him competing on a level playing field with the other guys when he comes out to win seven times?

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A little bit…?

A little bit bananas??
A little bit bent?
A little bit nuts?

Stop giving away my secrets!

I am not sure if you’ve seen any of the results of some of the Tour de France of late, but Lance has won 7 of them because he has taken drugs, he has cheated and won all of his titles illegally… What point does it stop being about him competing on a level playing field with the other guys when he comes out to win seven times?

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

They seemingly were all in drugs, so maybe he’s just a better junky than all the rest?

I am not sure if you’ve seen any of the results of some of the Tour de France of late, but Lance has won 7 of them because he has taken drugs, he has cheated and won all of his titles illegally… What point does it stop being about him competing on a level playing field with the other guys when he comes out to win seven times?

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

So the three people who have won it five times, they were definitely on gear too?

Recent results? Contador stripped of his third title, andy schleck who was given the win, never been busted, but strangley his brother (who is also his team mate and training partner) has been done… Bradley Wiggins now averages a greater wattage output than lance did… Michael rogers who was on the gear 10 years ago, is also doing better wattages now than when geared up to the eyeballs…

Lance also had the best team, he had the equivalent of four GC riders and took minutes off people in team time trials etc… Of the riders who haven’t been done or confessed or suspected of doping (a lot of them settled cases before being convicted), there are practically no GC riders remaining, so even playing field… Well yeah, it sort of was…

Everytime a big news event happens, people flock to an opinion based on what they read in the paper, despite the fact they know nothing about the sport…

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but when did we draw the line with EPO? Unless you use so much your blood turns into thick shake, it’s predominately used to help you get your blood count back to where it should be after intense training/competition. So what would be the issue using it in a controlled way? Like you said, proteins, creatine, glutamine are used for muscle growth and recovery (and they don’t just duck down to GNC and pick up a tub) cortisone injections used to reduce pain… not exactly natural either is it?

Golfgeek3005, before i continue can I assume you do have formal qualifications in Medical Science or haematology?

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but when did we draw the line with EPO? Unless you use so much your blood turns into thick shake, it’s predominately used to help you get your blood count back to where it should be after intense training/competition. So what would be the issue using it in a controlled way? Like you said, proteins, creatine, glutamine are used for muscle growth and recovery (and they don’t just duck down to GNC and pick up a tub) cortisone injections used to reduce pain… not exactly natural either is it?

Golfgeek3005, before i continue can I assume you do have formal qualifications in Medical Science or haematology?

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studied medicine for a year and a half and hated it… was all good in theory until I had to meet patients, and I wasn’t emotionally equipped to deal with it…

but if you’re going to argue on this forum about whether EPO is safe or not, I’m not here to argue that (there are thousands of pages on the internet arguing that – so if you’re going to try and be an authority on it, I’ll just keep linking you to pages that discuss the same thing), it’s the arbitrary line in the sand as to what we consider illegal and then performance enhancing and how it makes an even playing field (even though, it’s never going to be even is it?)

No sir, I am not going to argue with you at all. I was just curious to see what your background on the medical side of things was, your studies and internet pages are more than enough to satisfy me.

One point of note though, your red blood cells do not deplete during intense activity. They have a cell life of 120 days regardless of what activity you put them through.

Carry on though, I apologise for interupting this conversation.

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but when did we draw the line with EPO? Unless you use so much your blood turns into thick shake, it’s predominately used to help you get your blood count back to where it should be after intense training/competition. So what would be the issue using it in a controlled way? Like you said, proteins, creatine, glutamine are used for muscle growth and recovery (and they don’t just duck down to GNC and pick up a tub) cortisone injections used to reduce pain… not exactly natural either is it?

Golfgeek3005, before i continue can I assume you do have formal qualifications in Medical Science or haematology?

and even Oprah likes VijayJay

studied medicine for a year and a half and hated it… was all good in theory until I had to meet patients, and I wasn’t emotionally equipped to deal with it…

but if you’re going to argue on this forum about whether EPO is safe or not, I’m not here to argue that (there are thousands of pages on the internet arguing that – so if you’re going to try and be an authority on it, I’ll just keep linking you to pages that discuss the same thing), it’s the arbitrary line in the sand as to what we consider illegal and then performance enhancing and how it makes an even playing field (even though, it’s never going to be even is it?)

but that is exactly it, there has been a line in the sand drawn and he over stepped it, got cancer as a result and continued to cheat his way to win.

No sir, I am not going to argue with you at all. I was just curious to see what your background on the medical side of things was, your studies and internet pages are more than enough to satisfy me.

One point of note though, your red blood cells do not deplete during intense activity. They have a cell life of 120 days regardless of what activity you put them through.

Carry on though, I apologise for interupting this conversation.

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hey mate, no stress… it’s not like I studied to workout what supplements would kill me or not, reality is, all drugs have side effects – just not convinced all banned substances are now still banned for the original reasons they started banning in the first place?

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but when did we draw the line with EPO? Unless you use so much your blood turns into thick shake, it’s predominately used to help you get your blood count back to where it should be after intense training/competition. So what would be the issue using it in a controlled way? Like you said, proteins, creatine, glutamine are used for muscle growth and recovery (and they don’t just duck down to GNC and pick up a tub) cortisone injections used to reduce pain… not exactly natural either is it?

Golfgeek3005, before i continue can I assume you do have formal qualifications in Medical Science or haematology?

and even Oprah likes VijayJay

studied medicine for a year and a half and hated it… was all good in theory until I had to meet patients, and I wasn’t emotionally equipped to deal with it…

but if you’re going to argue on this forum about whether EPO is safe or not, I’m not here to argue that (there are thousands of pages on the internet arguing that – so if you’re going to try and be an authority on it, I’ll just keep linking you to pages that discuss the same thing), it’s the arbitrary line in the sand as to what we consider illegal and then performance enhancing and how it makes an even playing field (even though, it’s never going to be even is it?)

but that is exactly it, there has been a line in the sand drawn and he over stepped it, got cancer as a result and continued to cheat his way to win.

Have you come here to play Jesus, with the leopards in your head

mate, agree 100%... not trying to defend him… just wondering why the line was drawn there (other than people dropping dead, which is no good)...

what the reality is, even on the right side of the rules, professional athletes have access to all sorts of supplements and the like which “enhance” their performance, many of which you can’t just pick up down the road at the pharmacy…

so are they not banned because they don’t enhance your performance enough? or because they’re not dangerous to your health? Obviously all things that mask drug taking – warnies diuretics for example are also banned…

Take this for example, matter of time before it’s banned – FDA has already issued a warning – strips kilos off you very very very quickly (but isn’t a diuretic so it has no masking effect like the banned ones) and makes you higher than most party drugs… you train like a monster on this stuff… so ban? or wait for someone to die first? or let people have a go? tough call to the 1000s of people who use it day in day out….

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I guess in terms of drug taking, that’s why they are declaring no winner for the years of Lance’s 7 Tee de Eff’s …...... as they can’t be sure who, if anyone, was not on drugs, so best just draw the shades down on it all …...... and pretend those years never existed.

I agree with you in regard to the blurred line of what is performance enhancing, be it in terms of something that is found in nature, vs something that requires concocting in a laboratory.

I guess though they do need to draw a line somewhere, otherwise guys hearts and muscles will be exploding …..... and then evaluate everything they they can get their hands on, to make sure that it falls on the right side of that line.

Not an easy task I’m sure, as the veil of secrecy surrounding cycling in particular, is bloody heavy and hard to lift I suspect.

I’m just glad they don’t test musicians!

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Zen ..

I guess in terms of drug taking, that’s why they are declaring no winner for the years of Lance’s 7 Tee de Eff’s ……... as they can’t be sure who, if anyone, was not on drugs, so best just draw the shades down on it all ……... and pretend those years never existed.

I agree with you in regard to the blurred line of what is performance enhancing, be it in terms of something that is found in nature, vs something that requires concocting in a laboratory.

I guess though they do need to draw a line somewhere, otherwise guys hearts and muscles will be exploding …….. and then evaluate everything they they can get their hands on, to make sure that it falls on the right side of that line.

Not an easy task I’m sure, as the veil of secrecy surrounding cycling in particular, is bloody heavy and hard to lift I suspect.

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Agree mate,
The master minds got off scot free who are behind it. No one talks about the teams offered more dollars if you juiced up. I won’t mention the teams name although two riders on early days on some of Armstrongs team he rode for, got done for doping before he joined those teams. If you go fishing and do some cross reference there is a nice little pattern of riders get done inline with certain teams, if you know what I mean :).

What Lance did, ok isn’t right I agree with that, although what really jacks me off about the whole thing is he was a used pawn. They sold his whole story about cancer etc everyone milked it to make millions. He wins and every one makes millions from him, They all knew, UCI swept it under the carpet, Lance Armstrong pulled millions of viewers and fans to the sport, made the sport millions of dollars. He made them millions.
The truth is Lance had a falling out with a close buddy in UCI and he was the one who came forward to bring Lance down, he was also the one who was involved in sweeping it all under the carpet. This guy got off scot free again.

What stinks is all the other pr#cks who cashed in and made millions out of Armstrongs fame, they turn on him and stick a knife is his back, lets him take the fall now that he is no use to any of them any more. They get off scott free.

He lied and who wouldn’t the guy had so much to loose not only him, his family and the sport it’s self.

Ok he was on the juice sure, yes he should take responsibility for that, although to be branded as the master mind isn’t a fair call doping has been around since the 80’s and it was common knowledge teams paid bigger dollars if you juiced up.

The whole sport is a farce.

The whole sport is a farce.

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Armstrong is a c.unt. A lying piece of shit.

Armstrong is a c.unt. A lying piece of shit.

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And I really like him too! Do what you gotta do, say what you gotta say. He’s a product of his situation.

Armstrong is a c.unt. A lying piece of shit.

There’s many a slip ’tween a cup and a lip.

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And I really like him too! Do what you gotta do, say what you gotta say. He’s a product of his situation.

What is this golf game you talk of?

Stink you are right that he is a product of his situation in terms of cheating. I couldnt care about the cheating, there are clearly, or were, a lot of them doing the same.

His attacks on honest people who he knew were telling the truth and all the other build up of an image, done by him for him, is what ticks me off. All built around one of the biggest lies you can imagine. He would get up on his high horse and preach without blinking how people should believe what they were seeing.