I just look at openly as I see it

You are no investigative journalist are you? It’s fine to take things openly, just so long as you are happy to be takin’ for a ride at times.

Fair point..But he also has answered a lot of questions … I look at what he gave not what he didn’t give In those 2 reviews

Glass half full as opposed to glass half empty ….

I would guess that it is not so much an addiction to winning as you put it but a narcissitic personality disorder that was out of control- fuelled and reinforced by numerous wins in the civil courts and beating cancer. Thought he was unstoppable. Total prick. No empathy dragging who knows how many people through the courts and ruining their lives, all whilst playing a god like figure to the cancer community.

I would say he didn’t even really give a shit about his charity or other victims of cancer (too egocentric for that), so long as the it stopped people from attacking him. How low would someone be to attack his character whilst he is raising awareness of cancer?

The bottom line is he cheated, he lied, he bullied. he is not a five year old with limited recognition of ethics, he did it voluntary, he ruined ppl and now he is trying to set himself up for his second pay day, even Nike have indicated they might sponsor him again.Untill a few weeks ago I believed he was being set up, the man is nothing but a turd and does not seek redemption only more dollars. Just think of our criminal justice system with judges taking into account all sorts of crap then giving reduced sentences. the ppl he bullied are victims just as surely as if he had burgled their homes. He has burgled their lives he deserves nothing other than scorn and a term in prison. I know if I was one of them I would sue the crap out of him.

So supposedly he wants to be a better person and seek redemtion. I guess that means he is going to pay back all the people he sued and compensate them further for the damage he caused to their lives. Doubt it.

Not only did he coerce others to take drugs- he sacked them if they didnt. He should be in jail- full stop.

ask Greg Le Mond what he lost because of dring to question Lance.

He lost a contract and business worth tens of millions of $ due to Lance pressuring sponsors to drop Greg.

I would guess that it is not so much an addiction to winning as you put it but a narcissitic personality disorder that was out of control- fuelled and reinforced by numerous wins in the civil courts and beating cancer. Thought he was unstoppable. Total prick. No empathy dragging who knows how many people through the courts and ruining their lives, all whilst playing a god like figure to the cancer community.

I would say he didn’t even really give a shit about his charity or other victims of cancer (too egocentric for that), so long as the it stopped people from attacking him. How low would someone be to attack his character whilst he is raising awareness of cancer?

I think the pain has only just started for him

I think you want to see him suffer – thats fine

he stated he “he deserves to be punished” and I think that will happen

I never really get that angry at what someone does that doesnt really affect me. yet I love cycling and will still watch it.

I have absolutley no problem with people taking drugs and ruining their own bodies- even cheating, if they run the risk of getting caught. What I can’t stand is that he crushed people’s lives.

He may state he ‘deserves to be punished’ but in the same breath he is crying about the severity. I wish he would put the cancer card away. BORING. Get over it Lance. Many people have had an illness or struggle with many other setbacks in life. Maybe another dose would be karma for the damage you have done to others.

He didnt play the cancer that much? he didnt blame it

I have watched bother interviews twice?

He talked about his son, I was moved by that admission – he will pay for that

The part 2 was better interview as it focussed on the why? well allot more than part 1 did.

we see 2 interviews of which we then judge

I’m sure he will be suffereing away from the cameras.

he even said he hopes his kids are like his mum not him

I mean FFS thats a pretty bold statement and must cut deeep

he was obviously coached for the interview, Saying something and actually believing it are two different things. Crocodile tears- baby.

Facts of the matter are that for many years he told lies, cheated everyone, ruined a few people, sued people, broke all the rules in the book and was quite happy to carry on in this vein for as long as he could get away with it and whilst doing this he was making a fortune under false pretences and at other peoples expense. He has always been well aware of the difference between right and wrong and to infer that he was only doing it was because others were doing it also displays a sad grasp of reality more expected to be found in 6 and 7 year olds, and even a minority of those.
The only reason he is finally coming partially clean is because a group of people he was involved with have finally joined forces grown some balls and admitted they were involved also…...the evidence has finally caught up with him.
He eventually had nowhere else to turn. For him now to expect some sympathy and even have the gall and temerity to contemplate somehow that he could return to the sport in some fashion is absolutely staggering.
He has utilised the cancer issue and the resultant foundation as a convenient hook to hang his excuses on….his only supposed claim to respectability.
His behaviour over a very long period of time has demonstrated quite conclusively his lack of values and complete lack of integrity….he belongs behind bars.
Like a lot of con artists, had he operated along socially acceptable lines he would no doubt have made a success of his life in some other field, he’s got the intelligence…....but he is even now insulting everyone else’s intelligence by expecting them to believe and support him this far down the track.

Facts of the matter are that for many years he told lies, cheated everyone, ruined a few people, sued people, broke all the rules in the book and was quite happy to carry on in this vein for as long as he could get away with it and whilst doing this he was making a fortune under false pretences and at other peoples expense. He has always been well aware of the difference between right and wrong and to infer that he was only doing it was because others were doing it also displays a sad grasp of reality more expected to be found in 6 and 7 year olds, and even a minority of those.
The only reason he is finally coming partially clean is because a group of people he was involved with have finally joined forces grown some balls and admitted they were involved also……the evidence has finally caught up with him.
He eventually had nowhere else to turn. For him now to expect some sympathy and even have the gall and temerity to contemplate somehow that he could return to the sport in some fashion is absolutely staggering.
He has utilised the cancer issue and the resultant foundation as a convenient hook to hang his excuses on….his only supposed claim to respectability.
His behaviour over a very long period of time has demonstrated quite conclusively his lack of values and complete lack of integrity….he belongs behind bars.
Like a lot of con artists, had he operated along socially acceptable lines he would no doubt have made a success of his life in some other field, he’s got the intelligence…….but he is even now insulting everyone else’s intelligence by expecting them to believe and support him this far down the track.

Show up, keep up, shut up.

100% with both posts.

Trek used to make the Lemond bikes, I think lemond went into ergo bikes and was very successful

Facts of the matter are that for many years he told lies, cheated everyone, ruined a few people, sued people, broke all the rules in the book and was quite happy to carry on in this vein for as long as he could get away with it and whilst doing this he was making a fortune under false pretences and at other peoples expense. He has always been well aware of the difference between right and wrong and to infer that he was only doing it was because others were doing it also displays a sad grasp of reality more expected to be found in 6 and 7 year olds, and even a minority of those.
The only reason he is finally coming partially clean is because a group of people he was involved with have finally joined forces grown some balls and admitted they were involved also……the evidence has finally caught up with him.
He eventually had nowhere else to turn. For him now to expect some sympathy and even have the gall and temerity to contemplate somehow that he could return to the sport in some fashion is absolutely staggering.
He has utilised the cancer issue and the resultant foundation as a convenient hook to hang his excuses on….his only supposed claim to respectability.
His behaviour over a very long period of time has demonstrated quite conclusively his lack of values and complete lack of integrity….he belongs behind bars.
Like a lot of con artists, had he operated along socially acceptable lines he would no doubt have made a success of his life in some other field, he’s got the intelligence…….but he is even now insulting everyone else’s intelligence by expecting them to believe and support him this far down the track.

Show up, keep up, shut up.

100% with both posts.

I will break 90 this year.

It is NOT my age.

It is NOT for 9 holes.

you could argue easily they are just as much to blame as him

they cheated which allowed lance to win

cycling is a team sport, if they hadnt cheated he wouldnt have won 7 tour de france titles

they also should be facing the same kind of heat! and I have said that all along

George Hincapie is a fraudster also…he should share a cell with lance if youre saying that prison is the answer which I personally feel achieves little to be honest

he would do better to do public speaking in schools warning kids against cheating and drugs…

to me thats a better outcome, the community can never get back anything if someone goes to jail

It would have much more import Dave1 if kids in school watched a DVD of Lance behind bars telling them that Bubba is banging him every night because he was stupid enough to commit fraud and cheat . If his only punishment was giving talks at schools, that will have everyone quaking in their boots.

Are you sure you aren’t a Supreme Court judge Dave 1? You idea of deterrence seems to be in line with todays judiciary in Australia.

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you could argue easily they are just as much to blame as him

they cheated which allowed lance to win

cycling is a team sport, if they hadnt cheated he wouldnt have won 7 tour de france titles

they also should be facing the same kind of heat! and I have said that all along

George Hincapie is a fraudster also…he should share a cell with lance if youre saying that prison is the answer which I personally feel achieves little to be honest

he would do better to do public speaking in schools warning kids against cheating and drugs…

to me thats a better outcome, the community can never get back anything if someone goes to jail

No argument necessary, I agree. Those who have participated in the illegal activities should be punished in line and in proportion with the role they played, no question.

I don’t agree that a simple lecture circuit should be the punishment though. It is pointless having laws and rules etc if they are not enforced, that only alerts the offenders that they will get off easy if caught so it minimises the risks for them and makes the prospective gains more attractive in the long run. If someone wishes to harm society by any means, then they should be removed from it in the interim. The resulting issues of “rehabilitation” are left entirely to the individual, nobody can force people to change their mindset, it just doesn’t work and that is self evident despite whatever the do-gooders and bleeding heart brigade may postulate. You can offer the opportunities, but the individual is the only person who decides to what degree they will participate.
As to what the community gets, they get protection from the offenders in the interim. Perhaps part of the sentencing could be they serve so much time prior to eligibility for parole, then a condition of parole is that they participate in the lecture circuit…no participation, back to Bubba for the entire sentence.

vlaid points but Lance has retired

life ban is fair enough – no issue

but jail is just plain nuts sorry – hes no danger to anyone and locking him up in jail would cost the tax payer $2000 a day – who loses out?

I worked in the justice system straight after study now in the alcohol and drug area

locking people up who are no threrat to anyone is just silly

we have the Westminster

they will jail you for de-frauding cenrelink – yet bash someone sensless so they have brain injury they let you go

Look at the recent case in WA where luke Adams was bashed and now has no life like he had – that irdiot walked free….

yet you steel from soneone they look you up..

sorry for the rant but our justice system is the problem

Ok onto lance

I’d like to see him pay the money back he won, pay sponsors back some money (I suspect nike knew he was on the juice) nike have no morals really

and most of all spend time with his family and be a good father something which he said will take a long time to do

I think we should be locking up violent people…our justice system is the english system (, steal money or property and we lock you away for a long time yet if you physically hurt someone they let go

lance isnt a threat to the community at all

I also think he could do allot to clean up drugs in cycling

dave_1

I suggest you read the facts of the Luke Adams case. You will probably find how wrong you are.

If you have any intelligent suggestion about how to improve the justice system then I suggest you start a seperate thread.

I can’t believe you are (supporting) Armstrong.

Being a threat to someone does not necessarily have to imply physical violence is involved….a lot of people have suffered imeasurably due to theft, fraud etc and their well being and that of their family, employees etc have suffered also. Taking the viewpoint that he doesn’t have to suffer a loss of freedom and restrictions means that he gets his way with a simple change of lifestyle…....he knew all along, and should have taken into consideration all those many years, that his behaviour certainly did not demonstrate the best approach towards his family. He whimpers now that he wishes to spend time with them and make it better…...a poor attempt at contrition and it could be said that this is simply just another way for him to manipulate the system and get people to feel sorry for him.
I agree that forfeiture of his ill gotten gains would be a good start, not that I sympathise with Nike or any other giant conglomerate…..their business ethos also displays a sorry lack of social conscience and they deserve each other in respect to the morality issues involved.

Crime and punishment are interwoven, regardless of cost…..to have one means you must have both. To say that it would cost $2000 daily and it’s not worth it is to again look for a reason for him to avoid punishment. (I would take issue with your figures also, it’s not that high in fact).I wonder if any of the people who suffer(ed) financially because of his actions would agree with you when you say that he is no threat to anyone.

I have my own viewpoints on people getting away with things that have ruined other people’s lives due to physical violence, but that’s another issue, closely allied to the bleeding heart brigade mentioned earlier.

Being a threat to someone does not necessarily have to imply physical violence is involved….a lot of people have suffered imeasurably due to theft, fraud etc and their well being and that of their family, employees etc have suffered also. Taking the viewpoint that he doesn’t have to suffer a loss of freedom and restrictions means that he gets his way with a simple change of lifestyle…….he knew all along, and should have taken into consideration all those many years, that his behaviour certainly did not demonstrate the best approach towards his family. He whimpers now that he wishes to spend time with them and make it better……a poor attempt at contrition and it could be said that this is simply just another way for him to manipulate the system and get people to feel sorry for him.
I agree that forfeiture of his ill gotten gains would be a good start, not that I sympathise with Nike or any other giant conglomerate…..their business ethos also displays a sorry lack of social conscience and they deserve each other in respect to the morality issues involved.

Crime and punishment are interwoven, regardless of cost…..to have one means you must have both. To say that it would cost $2000 daily and it’s not worth it is to again look for a reason for him to avoid punishment. (I would take issue with your figures also, it’s not that high in fact).I wonder if any of the people who suffer(ed) financially because of his actions would agree with you when you say that he is no threat to anyone.

I have my own viewpoints on people getting away with things that have ruined other people’s lives due to physical violence, but that’s another issue, closely allied to the bleeding heart brigade mentioned earlier.

Show up, keep up, shut up.

sympathise with NIKE

who pay 75 cents a day to workers in Thailand to make gear

OH please

he will lose everything and thats enough

It’s not enough Dave…..you don’t get it do you. He has caused others to lose everything and he needs to be punished accordingly.

I still cannot believe you have fallen so easily for his weak attempt and humility. It was cringe worthy.

Using your kids and his cancer every few answers was galling.

So it is ok to commit fraud or larceny and all you do is pay it back and say sorry.

Oh please!

So it is ok to commit fraud or larceny and all you do is pay it back and say sorry.

Oh please!

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

well not quite but in essence I see no value in throwing people in jail for farud they committed

if thats the case then George Hincapie also must go into the can, Lemond and Contador also

they did send Marion so its very likely he will go as what he did was far worse than what she did

All Im saying is I dont see value in it, you guys hsare the view they should lock him up and throw away the key

How will he pay the money back sitting in jail?

If youre a company that sponsiored Lance Armstrong I’m sure you made money still as he was winning.

the prizemoney is a different matter but once again would all of his team mates be prepared to pay thier share back knowing they let him do it and said nothing?

prize money isnt huge in cycling compared to the endorsements

I laughed when cycling Australia wants a refund because of whats taken place – they made moeny from him being regardless of the lastest stuff happening

Not for one second am I condoning what Lance did but many people made money when Lance was flying along all of a sudden they cry foul! well I say thats the risk you take sponsoring an elite cyclist

I ca’nt stand what lance did (maybe people think I think its OK) but I do understand why humans do crazy things it and lance isnt a prick or this and thats -

he did it because he could and the UCI sat back and did nothing, his team mates did nothing, people that knew him well did nothing untill he retired….why then?

the first drug cheat in cycling was in 1924

history of drug cheats in cycling

seems like its been going on for a while eh?

Dave1. Why would Lemond need to be jailed? He has done nothing.

Lance was a willing participants, instigator and perpetuator of one of sports lowest moments.

The argument that others did the same is, as has been already mentioned, infantile and does not lessen his culpability. There is no:

“mummy made me do it”

“but everyone else was doing it”

“but I’ve done so many other good things”

“but people did it before”

All irrelevant and whatever befalls him, including long nights spent with Bubba, will be appropriate and of his own doing.