Dart,

When using horizontal hinging, at what angle should the club face be when the shaft reaches the:

• 1st parallel
• 4th parallel

When using angled hinging, at what angle should the club face be when the shaft reaches the:

• 1st parallel
• 4th parallel

Royshh,

HH. Toe up and face 45 down.

AH. 45 down and toe up.

Rather than 4th parallel I would use follow through point at 45 past impact. It has the advantage of checking both arms straight & wrist conditions.

So, HH face parallel to plane line and AH at 45.

The thing is, if you are checking your clubface instead of your hands – your game will have the tendency to crumble into a thousand pieces.

The question should have been what angle should my FLW be on in those positions. Of course the angles are the same depending on grip.

I think you have found your main source of trouble.

MONITOR YOUR HANDS and right fore arm on plane through the ball.

Dart,

• Horizontal Hinging
• Angled Hinging

Also, should the club face be parallel to the left forearm at the end / top of the back swing for both hinge actions?

Dart,

What about the 3rd parallel when using:

• Horizontal Hinging
• Angled Hinging

Also, should the club face be parallel to the left forearm at the end / top of the back swing for both hinge actions?

Royshh,

3rd HH toe up
AH 45 down.

With a normal stronger grip the face would be 45 up generally.

Okay, everything is perfect at address but perfect is a word that can be used for many things. Your grip is great, you alignment is solid, you have a nice tempo, when you flush the ball, it has a nice flight, your divots are straight or are going in the right direction and you are hitting shots that have some “zing to them”. It is not a weak wedge,it is a wedge that zips off the club and has a future whilst in flight. It is a shot that looks great and has a meaning to it. How can this be achieved?

Here is a trick? Set up Square with your wedge and try adjusting your ball position at times. It can be an inch or 2. Set up square, swing it back on plane and bang…a straight shot. To hit a draw with your wedge, wait for it and call ET. It is called waiting for the shot and your legs do help. Your hips can be your friend.

Golf…..

Trent: How do your legs help? They are not connected to the club….think this through a little further and ET is not required. You are doing the answer but those not in the know will wonder what you are on about.

Only with the weakest grips would the face be in line with the fore arm.

With a normal stronger grip the face would be 45 up generally.

Dart,

I thought that a club face which was parallel to the left forearm at the top / end of the backswing was regarded as correct.

Am I missing something?

Does the club face end up in the same position at the second parallel for both Horizontal Hinging and Angled Hinging?

Where in the golfing machine are the various club face alignments discussed?

Royshh,

Nothing is discussed in the book only when you are answering your 580 Questions to qualify as an TI.

How the clubface lines up at the top depends on the grip. Try the seven different grips recommended for experimentation and see what happens at the top.

TGM does not rate what happens at the top with the clubface. Who cares. What I care about is the hinge motion as set up by the impact fix and impact alignments and where you want the ball to go.

“Classic” positions set by some “experts” only fool those who have not thought from basic ideas to, which way will I go about doing the job.

What do you want, why do you want it and how can you do it.

NOT- this turkey said I should do X there fore I will follow him blindly. The basic mechanics are very simple as shown by Guru and team. Dial in. If you do it half decent it works.

If you screwed up, it was because you missed some thing very basic, not because you you have missed something very complicated.

You are not thinking plane: pressure: hinge.

Royshh,

Nothing is discussed in the book only when you are answering your 580 Questions to qualify as an TI.

Dart,

Do you mean an AI?

If nothing is discussed in the book how can you be expected to answer the questions correctly?

And from what source do the answers come?

I use a strong single action grip and am currently working on a very short swing where I swing back only as far as the 1st parallel and through to the 4th parallel.

The club face points 45 degrees down at both parallels.

What do you make of this?

Royshh,

Yes AI.

They are discussed, but only once in the interest of brevity.

A lot of personal study and experimentation is required. Herein lies the value. You have to learn and apply the principles for your self. Only then can you say it is your swing. Otherwise it is just some thing you picked up on the side of a practice fairway somewhere.

Your swing he would call a mechanical impropriety. Try turning your club CW going back then anti – CW going through for swing or no roll at all for hitting.

Dart,

1) What is a mechanical impropriety?

2) Didn’t Moe Norman have the club face pointing down at the 1st and 4th parallel?

3) When I turn my hands on the backswing so that the clubface is toe up, the butt of the club lifts off of the original plane and the club head goes way too much inside. This results is a very flat backswing where at the top the club is laid off and the left wrist is bent. This produces pushed slices and the occasional shank. How can I solve this problem?

4) What is a start up swivel?

5) Does a swinger have to use a start up swivel?

1) Something that is happening that has no function, or an incorrect one for the purpose at hand
2) His club faced the ball, more 45 degrees to the plane.
3) You are not cocking the left wrist flat and on plane
4) The correct right forearm pick up and fanning anti-clockwise Turn of the face onto the plane
5) Yes. A hitter does not.

For (3) and (4) Flashlight drills until you work it out as an on Plane motion and then do it with your clubs again. WATCH your hands when your have it flashlight wise going good. Then use the same hand motion with the club.

Dart / Guru,

When I stop the club at the 1st parallel the club face looks at the ground to some extent.

The shorter the club the more it looks at the ground.

1) When you say toe up do you mean a perfectly vertical leading edge or can the face be looking down slightly?

• a bent left wrist with the shaft directly above the balls of my feet
• a flat left wrist with the club about two feet outside my toes

I don’t like either option.

Am I doing something wrong?

3) When a hitter and a swinger reach the 1st parallel is the shaft in the same place?

4) What are the differences between a swinger and a hitter at the 1st parallel?

Swinger = leading edge vertical, via the backswing clockwise rotation of the FLW

Hitter = leading edge less than vertical and face looks a little towards the ball.

There is zero reason for there not to be a FLW within 4 inches of hand travel so you are missing something. Start from Impact Fix with a FLW and make a takeaway Turning the entire flying wedge anticlockwise and it should stay flat.

Hitters do not have the active swivel of the clubface onto the plane. Hitters get the face there at the Top.

When Jack Nicklaus reaches the 1st parallel the club face is looking at the ball, about 45 degrees down.

I believe Jack to be a swinger so what is the story?

He is also a snap loader. That means he does not assemble and load his angles until late in the backswing. Hands turn later wrists cock later arm folds later.

Not recommended for people who have a limited time to master the game. I should say swing because I can’t see anyone mastering the game this side of the Pearly Gates

Dart,

I load my angles pretty late in the backswing aswell.

I developed this habit by swinging a 3 pound practice club for countless hours a few years ago.

• extremely inside takeaway
• under plane downswing
• vertical exit

What should I do?

Royshh,

Sell the 3 pounder to your worst enemy and simply build the swing you want according to a sound blue print.

Steady improvement is the goal not magic fix. The plane line and angle you like. The assembly and loading action you like. And above all the hinge action you like because that governs the ball direction.

Keep numbers out of ten on how you think you are going, just to remain objective as possible

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