Taken from Jeff’s other thread:

“a golfer should think of hitting the inside quadrant of the ball”

Take very great care with this commonly used bit of misunderstood advice.

Inside Aft Quadrant

Too much in to out hits the Orange portion of the ball. Result, Block right or Blocked Slice through open club face.

Out to in hits the right hand side of the Black Spot – i.e the wrong side of the ball. Result, Pull, Hook, or Pulled Slice through open club face.

Hit the Black Spot, preferably with a very slightly open club face, for a Draw if Horizontal Hinging is used or a Fade with Angled, or no, Hinge action.

I really don’t understand how you hit a fade with TGM especially the principle of down n out.

Could someone please explain and ideally provide a video demonstration.

Thanks, looking forward to hearing the replies

It seems to me that the only way to do it would be to align left with the ‘out’ component on a line slightly left of target.

I believe that one can hit a power fade by using angled hinging rather than horizontal hinging.The clubface usually approaches the ball slightly open, and closes during impact. As Matt stated in another thread, there are two factors that predispose to hook spin during the impact period – the outward directional movement of the clubhead (in-to-out clubhead swingpath) + closing clubface due to horizontal hinging. If a golfer has a slightly more open clubface at the exact moment of first ball impact and the golfer uses angled hinging (which prevents the clubface closing fast while the ball is in contact with the clubface), then the end-result will be a power fade.

Jeff.

Just remember what the 3 look like in your follow through HH has closed
and when used will produce a lower flight with more run.
angled is 45 open and will typically produce a higher ball flight with a tendency to go right ..VH is 90 open.. think of a bunker shot with no run ..So you can use 2 of them to fade the ball assuming you are swinging on plane ..

But then given that we know swingers move the ball forward to hit a draw and back to hit a fade again if they are on plane without changing a hh motion .

And hitters can in fact do the opposite and achieve the same with an angled hinge.

The only limitation is your imagination ..

So, is a power fade better or a power draw better?

A power fade is better for a dogleg right.

Tai,
it’s up to the individual which preference chose either power fade or power draw, Craig parry did well hitting power fades all his life.
In golf learn to do both, when playing you should always be working the ball around the coarse anyway. It’s easier to shape a shots then try and hit straight all day long.

I read that Nicklaus swore by power fades and hated hitting draws unless he really needed to. Basically saw the fade as a shot that stopped where he wanted it to, whereas a draw ran unpredictably once it hit the deck.

Bi0, how can a hacker and with no offence to them shape a shot of all things? When is a hacker qualified to be able to shape a shot and understand what it takes in the motion to be able to do it? For sure, shaping a shot left or right is great and easier than that straight shot but can we not get hackers on the straight 1st and then in time they can learn to shape a shot?

Tai,
It’s easier for anyone to shape the ball and isn’t difficult once their shown properly, they have more chance learning to shape a shot and master faster then trying to hit straight, by learning to hit left or right acutually teaches some one how to hit straight. Most my students can shape a ball better then hitting it straight and in all honesty now they have learnt to shape the ball , they aren’t interested in hitting straight,
Trying to hit staright is to many variables to go wrong, shaping there are less

The thing is Bi0, scores are racked up with club golfers having millions and they have golf lessons from AAA teaching professionals who have no idea what it takes to actually play the game at a very high level as they have never made it in that area of their golfing career….as a player I mean. It’s all good, there are many golf pro’s who are great players but have seen the light in a way and teach.
This may possibly open up a can of worms saying that you do not need to be a great or good teacher without having been a good/successful tour player but?? I will leave it at but?

Tai,
true, I can see your point, Alot of guys who don’t make the grade as a player, is cause they can’t shape the ball, I coach a gril who was australain junior ladies amateur champion , who played on tour in the US for a while,She went to one of the top golf colledges in the US, I couldn’t believe when she came to me she couldn’t shape a golf ball, her average was 73 , Now she learnt to shape the ball , a different player and her average is now 69, she is doing a rebuild at the moment getting ready for Ladies masters and open in oz at the end of the year then off to the U.S .
I can see your point it’s a shame more coaches don’t teach shaping the ball more.

Why there is out of bounds anywhere but down the middle so why would you teach players otherwise ?

Yes we need to move a ball around but only when the shot calls for it.

Shap shots to position so the ball is in the right position of the fairway or the greens, Dog leg holes, or your in trees and need to hook one or slice one, learning to hit straight doesn’t allow you to perform these shots or shoot better scores,plus then all you have is one shot in your bag. not to many people can hit the ball straight so why not work the ball

Ok guys, I think I have it.

Lesson 10

Been watching these vids all day on Lynn Blake and it really is useful.

Hearing Yoda say “cool” all the time is, well, cool :-)

Its also cool to learn that I have been applying a little bit of TGM my entire playing life.

To hit a fade, I’ve always set up open, aimed at the target and ‘held’ the club face open – in TGM speak (I think) I’ve been hitting the ball with an angled hinge.

Time to teach an old dog a new trick. Have often heard the terms open and closed at address, but never really understood or took the time to find out what it meant and how it was done. I the words of Pauline Hansen “Please explain”. May actually help me in a number of ways. Hitting straight and ability to fade – draw.

Good question davego:)

First the club face is Square to the intended flight line. Assuming you are swinging the club.

Then you can have your shoulders:
2) Open (left foot back) to the flight line – fade
3) Closed (right foot back) to the flight line – draw

You swing down your Shoulder line – the true Swing Plane line.

The thing about being better to shape a shot rather than just hit straight balls is not related only to playing to particular hole shapes or trees.

If the fairway is 20m wide and you’re trying to hit a straight ball down the middle, you have a 10m margin of error (either side). But if you can reliably move the ball one way or the other (I’m a natural fader), you can setup down one side and your margin of error is now 20m. This is what the other guy means by hitting into a fairway. It also helps when you can hold a ball against a lateral wind.

peter

Good question davego:)

First the club face is Square to the intended flight line. Assuming you are swinging the club.

Then you can have your shoulders:
2) Open (left foot back) to the flight line – fade
3) Closed (right foot back) to the flight line – draw

You swing down your Shoulder line – the true Swing Plane line.

Thanks Guru explains a lot of things about my failed choice of shots. I had been setting up the exact opposite. Mind you, funny thing was that a lot of the time when I thought I was setting up for a draw (now I find it was actually a fade) a good deal of the time it would go straight. Any suggestion as to what I may have been doing right/wrong to cause this? Glad I asked the question finally. As they say, ” The only dumb question, is the one that is never asked.”

Shaping the ball should be looked at as lets move it R/L or L/R by 3-5m, as opposed to a slice or hook. Then with PeterS post in mind, the fairway is a bigger place.

Good question davego:)

First the club face is Square to the intended flight line. Assuming you are swinging the club.

Then you can have your shoulders:
2) Open (left foot back) to the flight line – fade
3) Closed (right foot back) to the flight line – draw

You swing down your Shoulder line – the true Swing Plane line.

Thanks Guru explains a lot of things about my failed choice of shots. I had been setting up the exact opposite. Mind you, funny thing was that a lot of the time when I thought I was setting up for a draw (now I find it was actually a fade) a good deal of the time it would go straight. Any suggestion as to what I may have been doing right/wrong to cause this? Glad I asked the question finally. As they say, ” The only dumb question, is the one that is never asked.”

The key to success is to learn to do something right, then do it right every time. Oh I wish…..

A blocked shot which isnt to bad now you just have to do the same and release the club with a horizontal hinge.

Shaping the ball should be looked at as lets move it R/L or L/R by 3-5m, as opposed to a slice or hook. Then with PeterS post in mind, the fairway is a bigger place.

So true!

I know hackers at my club who have to aim at trees 20m off the fairway because they slice it so much!

Shaping the ball should be looked at as lets move it R/L or L/R by 3-5m, as opposed to a slice or hook. Then with PeterS post in mind, the fairway is a bigger place.

So true!

I know hackers at my club who have to aim at trees 20m off the fairway because they slice it so much!

Its better to stay silent and look a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

– Mark Twain

One of my regular playing partners always aims at the adjacent fairway in order for his slice to hit the fairway we are playing on.

He rejoices in “hitting more fairways than me”.

I respond by telling him he misses every bleedin’ one he aims at!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey burner,
they make you bleed when then aim three fairways left and still hit the fairway, An argument we can never win they still ,hit the fairway,
Your day will triumph when he flushes one straight, then your field days begins, don’t hold back give him loads about it for the rest of the day.
But sound like he’s the smart, not interested in fixing the swing, why not play with it, he’s playing golf and hitting fairways.