Once you can address the ball properly; what is the next step towards building a solid swing?

Once you can address the ball properly; what is the next step towards building a solid swing?

Royshh,

I think address the ball properly is a very advanced thing to do and you could only get close ‘till you knew a lot more things. Proper stance involves perfect ball placement for the shot at hand with correct mental preparation which takes years of work

First an approximate grip.

Then the simple idea of Basic Motion is invaluable and the first thing to do. It’s like a pendulum on a inclined plane. Up and back – down and out – up and in. This is the foundation feel you begin to acquire little additions to for power control and ball control.

Notice it is smooth and continuous with no OTT and has a low point behind which you place the ball. Now you can take some sort of stance.

Dart:

I actually considered this exact question today. As I need to work on my “moment of truth” could you build a swing backwards?

Grip first

then

Impact position – which influences downswing path/plane – which influences top position – which influences how your backswing would set up this top position etc?

Might be way off base but I sort of found that my impact position and educated hands requires a different downswing path/plane that I currently have which led me to question where I am at the top. By finding a better top position I was able to set up my downswing path/plane more efficiently which gets me into a better impact position to operate educated hands.

Chip leads to pitch leads to half swing leads to full swing..

Ab,
Well done, music to my ears, keep up the hard work, work on the moment of truth the rest take cares of itself, great stuff champ
now just have to educate the rest of my students to do the same

Bio:

One lesson with you and they’d be crazy not to apply what you know. I know I wouldn’t go any where else

In my opinion, this is one of the most important concepts to learning golf. Start from the beginning and work your way back. If we were all sitting in an office and our boss came in and said, Hey, I need you guys to build this very complex machine and it needs to hit this little white orb with this club and the ball must fly in this manner after it is hit, just think of how we would start and go about it. I bet we would start with impact and work our way back. We would make sure that it could send the ball properly 10 meters before we would worry about sending it 250 meters, AB in your case 350 meters.

I know that I often make the mistake of trying to make impact fit into my swing and that is the exact opposite of what I should be doing. Good thread, thanks for the reminder.

HD:

Couldn’t agree more. Impact is the moment of truth. You see pro golfers do a lot of crazy things before it but at impact most are perfectly positioned. The ball only experiences impact.

Pardon my naivety, but what is the moment of truth?

Mr. C.,

Impact.

But I would like to go back one step further because it was my greatest mistake.

Impact is good but ball flight is better and then ball flight to what standard.

You have much more work to do to break 70 rather than 80. It does not take much more precision in the early stages but it is hard to get better with OTT,TA. Over the top throw away or flipping.

I sacrificed quality of flight for crude “ball in play” type control. Good enough to play with the pros but not to compete with them.

Once you can address the ball properly; what is the next step towards building a solid swing?

Royshh,

To answer your question your way I would say right fore arm take away.

Make sure they swing from the elbow with the forearm pointing at the plane line as long as need be.

Bit confused here guys.

I have been trying to keep the shaft on plane. How is it possible to keep the right forearm and shaft at the same time when at certain stages in swing they are at 90 degrees to each other.

If I had a laser strapped to my right forarm at what point in the downswing would this point to the ball and where should it point at impact?

Gotta

They’re not talking about the right forearm being on the swing plane, but tracing the ‎base of the plane line (ball – target line).‎

IMHO, the idea of being able to trace the same line with both clubshaft and right ‎forearm is one of the neatest discussed here. ‎

Laser on the forearm? And on the shaft too I suppose. Call it the G-Light and market ‎it with Bio!‎

ok, getting a bit confused there with swing plane v plane line. So when should the right forearm start to trace the plane line and at what point does it leave this line?

GSS,

It’s only on there for a metre or two but the best thing you can do.

So when you say trace do you mean we are talking about the forearm pointing to the plane line just prior to impact here. Looking from behind the right forearm travels parallel to ball/target line just prior and post impact.

Are there any photos of this “right forearm tracing plane line?

Every golfer you ever saw does it. Every hacker does not, they trace across it both ways.

Get a water pistol and shoot the line, a wet rag or water bottle and then interpret this in the simplest possible way. Get a club then practice it right and wrong till you see the sense in an active right elbow that traces the plane line.

It can make your life.

If I might add to that,

Monitor the hands, not the clubhead. The right forearm traces the plane line. Alternatively, the crook of the right index finger is directed at the aft inner quadrant of the golf ball. It’s the same thing.
In the downstroke the right forearm can’t get back on plane until the elbow gets on plane.
Homer Kelley “You’re going to want to insure the right forearm and the #3 pressure point (lag) for a million dollars.”

Photos: See all the Golf School articles on The Plane.

I am not confused but I am rather sure that so many golfers on this forum are confused with technical jargon here? Are people here (in the know) able to relax or chill out and speak in terms that forum users can understand? I am speaking for the forum users that are guys or ladies playing off mid to high handicaps?

Guilty. Sorry.

In the quote of Mr. Kelley, he’s using ”#3 pressure point” as a term for the crook of the right index finger, specifically the meaty part.

That’s where you feel the lagging clubhead pressure.
Monitor it and life gets a lot sweeter.

I think I heard some one say that swinging was instant acceleration

In my opinion, this is one of the most important concepts to learning golf. Start from the beginning and work your way back. If we were all sitting in an office and our boss came in and said, Hey, I need you guys to build this very complex machine and it needs to hit this little white orb with this club and the ball must fly in this manner after it is hit, just think of how we would start and go about it. I bet we would start with impact and work our way back. We would make sure that it could send the ball properly 10 meters before we would worry about sending it 250 meters, AB in your case 350 meters.

I know that I often make the mistake of trying to make impact fit into my swing and that is the exact opposite of what I should be doing. Good thread, thanks for the reminder.

I cannot agree. I would start with figuring out what implement I wanted to use to wack the white orb and then on the engine that would operate the implement. Then I would determine how to line the orb up with the wacking mechanism to the greatest affect (that would be impact). Sure, impact is the moment of truth, but is not where I would start. The club is the implement, you are the engine and but without gripping it first, you won’t be able to hit the orb. Then you have to line up the wacking mechanism to the orb. Well that would be address. If we were just a machine, the address would be the impact position. Set the wacking mechanism at the impact position and figure out how to keep the wacking mechanism secured and directed in a path back to the orb when it is propelled toward the orb. I am definitely starting with the grip.

ok, getting a bit confused there with swing plane v plane line. So when should the right forearm start to trace the plane line and at what point does it leave this line?

I think I see your confusion. These guys may correct me but I think it is the right hand that traces the swing plane not the right forearm. The right arm lines up with the swing plane at address but leaves that plane when you start to fold the right arm in the backswing. Look at these two videos especially the hula hoop video for a demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watc...;feature=related

You have much more work to do to break 70 rather than 80.

Amen to that!

I second that!

A different culture required.