My question is really two fold -

I’m reading about the right forearm pickup in the take away could someone explain to me what that process involves? also is that the only type of take away recommended from the TGM?

Secondly, is there an online source for reading the TGM or excerpts from it?

Thanks,

“Magic of the Right Forearm”.

Simply put.

Just use your right hand to draw the club back away from the ball.

Once your left arm has been drawn across your body and is parallel to the target line, hands around hip high, just bend your right elbow to a 90* angle as you complete your shoulder turn.

Minimum effort, maximum efficiency.

Neat, Burner.

Does/should this motion roll the left wrist flat on plane? And are you saying shoulder turn begins then or can it be before?

Thanks in advance

TGM allows for any kind of takeaway you like, though its preferred route is an on plane on….which plane and how many plane is open for grabs.

Right forearm fanning which you her referred too is rather like sitting at the bar and taking your beer from bar to gob. Now go do that motion with flashlights and keep it on plane. Then add your left hand to the motion. (remember when you grab a beer there is a little bit of a bent right wrist happening to begin with).

Guru

You gotta get those Flat Wrists going – lost until translated “no go do” as “now go do”! :)

Thanks Shortstuff….fixed up now.

Burner,

You advise to use the right hand to draw the club away from ball but other experts on here advise that ” The takeaway starts with the simultaneous movement of the arms and left shoulder”.

Is there 2 different schools of thought re this?

Very very few lift the club back via the left arm. The L and R shoulder work together if using a shoulder takeaway for the first instance of takeaway before the right arm lifts and bends.

Or easy as pie to just lift the club via the right arm leading the shoulders.

Gotta, I may have this wrong (and probably so) but I think it is the movement of the right hand away is the commencement of the other two. It is only slight but it is the initiating factor, as is the hip bump to commence the downswing.

Lagging clubhead takeaway…anyone here?

What do people think of Shawn Clement’s teaching? Search for “Shawn Clements” in YouTube and you’ll find more lessons than you can digest in a year.

Here is his takeaway lesson where he uses a crane / wrecking ball analogy. YouTube.

KOC that lagging clubhead takeaway is really a shoulder take away leaving the hands to catch up during the backswing.

Look at Peter Crockers Shank article to see that look.

IMO in TGM the right forearm takeaway is mandatory.
Shoulder turn takeaway is pivot-controlled hands, TGM wants hands-controlled pivot.
Clements is very good.

Great reply’s and as always very informative.

I was always taught low and slow but TGM from what I gather is about staying on plane.

I’ve been watching a lot of footage from “Yoda” and Jeff (http://forums.iseekgolf.com...) and Jeff has an awesome swing. It looks like Jeff’s swing starts with a forward press then a shoulder turn so mimicking that should be good .

I flip at the ball, no doubt about it’s not drastic but seems to be compensated by timing, flipping=bad, yes I know. When I try to keep a flat left wrist through impact I always feel as though I chicken wing it. I never feel that I am hitting down on the ball.

Somewhere between contact with the ball and the wrist rolling I get lost not mentally but physically when swinging the swivel never seems to happen, are there any good drills for that?

TW,

Twoods-

Starting with chip shots (basic motion) , moving up to pitches (adquired motion) then going to total motion, concentrate on uncocking the left wrist fully through impact by making sure that the left thumb points to the ground after impact (I believe Peter Croker refers to this as “thumbs down”).

Even on chip shots, where you start with a flat LEVEL wrist and do not “cock” the left wrist, there is still the ability to uncock after impact from “level” to the “uncocked state”. This uncocking move basically makes it impossible to bend the left wrist.

If you try this, you should soon obtain the downward action necessary for the 3 dimensional impact and compression. The roll will happen naturally from this position..

I’m new to TGM teaching but have been following a few conversations here and am loving it. My pro has never talked much about the wrists. I had a go yesterday at the FLW BRW position hitting punches and hit a few shanks amongst some solid shots. Feels like I drop the right shoulder rather than turning when I shank. Is this the likely cause or could it be not rotating the left arm back to square at impact?? Keep the info coming, it’s all good stuff.

Shanks are most likely a pivot issue. Curing the Shanks Part 1 should give you some big clues along with Part 2

finster, do you have a link or a picture of the “thumbs down” after impact move? I think I understand the move I want to make sure that I’m practicing the correct motions…

I was trying “acquired motion” yesterday at the range and I was definitely hitting them fat and with very little success – It’s tough to break old habits…

Hitting it fat will with little shots probably come from trying to flatten the right wrist bend at the ball, which will increase the radius of the club and arm a tad and so you get the thud into the ground first.

Photos in Crockers Shanks article have the look you are after and in Paul Harts Control your Clubface

Shanks are a pivot issue, because from that they become a path issue. And more than likely it’s the right shoulder, which is a pivot component as well as a power package component.
One cause is open shoulders at address, especially with the wedges when you’re trying to line up and aim your shot. You open your shoulders to look and forget to square them.
Or you take your address before you put your hands on the club. Then you put the right hand on the club by reaching down with it, which opens the shoulders, and you don’t re-square them.
Or it’s an OTT move. The right shoulder has to go down the shoulder plane.
That’s my opinion and I’m stickin’ to it, until someone questions it anyway.

I’m new to TGM teaching but have been following a few conversations here and am loving it. My pro has never talked much about the wrists. I had a go yesterday at the FLW BRW position hitting punches and hit a few shanks amongst some solid shots. Feels like I drop the right shoulder rather than turning when I shank. Is this the likely cause or could it be not rotating the left arm back to square at impact?? Keep the info coming, it’s all good stuff.

gibbo70

Gibbo, the right shoulder goes down the shoulder plane. If it goes out, towards the ball, it’s an over-the-top move and an outside-in path.
It feels like the right shoulder goes down. Not only do you keep it back, but also down.
Don’t think of the left arm or of squaring the clubface. That’s all automatic with the uncocking right elbow.
The left arm is inert, a piece of rope. You keep it relatively straight, taut, throughout the swing with a bit of pressure on the base of the left thumb at the base of the right palm. Just a bit, about like tugging on your shirt sleeve. See the Golf School article on Extensor Action which guru saw fit to put in as the 2nd lesson, i.e. up front.
Thinking of squaring the clubface is a sin known as steering, the number one malfunction.
(Does that sound harsh? Wasn’t meant to be. Farthest thing from my mind.)

Try this drill, courtesy Lynn Blake:
Without a club, hold the left hand out in address position made into a fist.
Now with the right hand open, take a swing at the top of that left fist and hit it on the top, a glancing blow with right palm down contacting the base of the left thumb, where the right palm would have gripped it.
Let the left arm be driven targetward and watch it rotate to the left, keeping the flat left wrist. That’s your follow-through to finish swivel.
Keep right wrist bent, that’s your right hand motion also right up into finish.

Thanks Guru and Loren,

I’ve always been a bit prone to shanks but thankfully usually on the range and not on the course. Will take all the info on board and banish them forever…..........I hope.

Gibbo70, sorry, I was editing my post while you were responding to it. I added a drill there you may have missed.

TWood, forgive me for jumping in here for finster.
Cock your left wrist. Take it back to level. Totally uncock your left wrist. The thumb will be pointing at the ground.
That’s finster’s image, moved into totally uncocked follow-through when both arms are straight (but right wrist still slightly bent).
Of course from there, when the clubhead overtakes the hands, roll the left forearm into the finish swivel, right wrist still bent, left wrist flat.
It might help to fold the left elbow down in doing the finish swivel, and recocking the left wrist.

Fat. Failure to allow the left hip to continue opening will also do it.
Tom Tomasello. Keep it going.
Thin is often a fat shot with the low-point moved, i.e. the swing center.
The fat shot just missed the ground is all, came up and hit it thin.