The following is a link to an explanation of the swing plane.

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What do you think?

That won’t do any harm even though it is more complex that need be. The top position is not pointing at the plane line so needs a flip release or angled path to work. OK for for advanced players and irrelevant to most.

The key thing with plane is which way is it aiming, and we all know which way that is going to be, about 20* left.

If we were able to hold his plane angle “variation” it would lead to a high class swing, but you are up for $5000 worth of lessons and a 5 year programme. That’s a lot of training.

I would just trace a straight line on the the ground. ( 9 months and it’s free to ISG readers )

If your downswing is as he advocates; will you be below plane?

Consider where his ‘flashlights’ would point. Would they still point on the line, outside it or inside it?

Going to Bunnings to buy some torches! Gotta give this a go! ;-)

I think that he is wrong about the clubshaft having to be parallel to the clubshaft-at-address plane (eg. often hand plane or elbow plane) when it rises above the clubshaft-at-address plane – and this happens roughly at waist level. Note that his hands are on the turned shoulder plane (also called the right shoulder plane) at the top of his backstroke. So, obviously his hands and clubshaft have to get back from the turned shoulder plane to the elbow plane during the downswing if he wants to use a double plane shift swing. However, the clubshaft does not have to be perfectly parallel to the clubshaft-at-address plane when it undergoes this plane shift from the turned shoulder plane to the elbow plane. This belief echoes the belief of Hank Haney, but I know of no geometrical principle that mandates this mandatory parallel approach. Homer Kelly does not specify in TGM that the clubshaft must be parallel to the clubshaft-at-address plane when it is moving from one plane to another plane above waist level. He only suggest that the butt end of the clubshaft should always point at the straight plane line (base of the inclined plane) at all times (when it is not parallel to the straight plane line)

Here is a photo of Badds’ double plane shift swing

Badds double plane shift swing

He moves from the clubshaft-at-address plane (hand plane) to the turned shoulder plane during the backswing, and from the turned shoulder plane to the elbow plane in the downswing. However, his clubshaft is not always parallel to the hand plane ( or elbow plane) as it moves to, or from, the turned shoulder plane.

Jeff.

Jeff has it in one there. Now check out with the flashlights for proofs of pudding a and b.

He only suggest that the butt end of the clubshaft should always point at the straight plane line (base of the inclined plane) at all times (when it is not parallel to the straight plane line)

Jeffmann,

Can you please confirm at what point in the takeaway does the butt end of club first appear on the straight plane line and where is it pointing at that stage? eg at the ball, behind the ball?

Conversly, at what point in the downswing does the butt end find its way back on line and where on the straigt plane line is it pointing and how long does it stay on here before it is replaced by the club head?

Gotta: You can work this out for yourself.

I have Guru,

Just need some confirmation that I am not taking the club back too far in the takeaway and not bringing it back on plane too early or late.

Just trying to establish the point in swing where the butt end light is replaced by the club head light.

Also, on the initial takeaway and the same point on the way back do both lights ever point to straight plane line at same time?

It should never leave the base of the plane apart from when the clubshaft is parallel to it. 1 degree before or post parallel one of the lights will shine on the line.

Thanks Guru,

Lastly can you clarify this question then I will leave you alone for the day!

Also, on the initial takeaway and the same point on the way back do both lights ever point to straight plane line at same time?

I am being thick here as I cannot see what you mean.

If both lights are at opposite ends of the device this is hardly likely. Only one will ever be pointing to the “floor” at a time.

They swap over when you cock and uncock near parallel shaft areas. They should both follow the same base of the plane line.

Jeffman,

Snead and Hogan both used these advanced plane angle variations and release types. Homer would categorize them X types.

Neither Guru nor I would even mention them unless we were defending their swings.

GSS

Only one light can point at the baseline of the inclined plane (SPL) at any one time. The point of transition is when the clubshaft is parallel to the ground at the end-takeaway (backstroke) and delivery position (downstroke).

Paul H

I don’t understand your points. What advanced plane angle variations are you talking about, and what is a X type?

Jeff.

No, no! Not the dreaded X type! Run away.

X type is a pull buggy made by Brosnan

Jeffman,

Off plane motion is a part of flip release in 10-24-F. Homer uses X for Variations 1-K and 10-0. that are akin to things in the book

Hi Dart, Guru…

If I do the 10-24-F and then the 1-K and 10-0, will I become a better golfer? I understand, not many do though away from it..

Jeff has the book and can look them up.

You might well be able to perform a flip release without knowing what that motion is actually called:)

Jeff,
Badd’s is pretty close to flip release as well, I have a guy is who flip release, and I leave him alone he’s one of few who does it, Each time I give him a lesson, work on alignments and other areas, his swing just tell him keep doing what your doing, but not something you would teach someone, he woke up doing this,
your hands flip so quickly, you have to have perfect rhythm and timing, Ben hogan was Ben hogan for this reason.
Close to a snap release pattern, Still researching but this is reason for hogan cupping, his hands flipped so fast his pivot couldn’t keep up, with club head speed, They could into impact but soon as he released no chance, hands turned to fast , club head was flying way to fast for him. He’s a legend

Hi Dart, Guru…

If I do the 10-24-F and then the 1-K and 10-0, will I become a better golfer? I understand, not many do though away from it..

Ang muhay ay puno ng pag-asa

You must have practised an awful lot to become such an accomplished Twat!

Burner,
You crack me up , great post

Burner,

They are not the exact words I was searching for but they are better.

As usual, infinite insight.

Hi Dart, Guru…

If I do the 10-24-F and then the 1-K and 10-0, will I become a better golfer? I understand, not many do though away from it..

Ang muhay ay puno ng pag-asa

Praningka,

What ever you said aahh ok. You certainly could be a better something. Give us a clue !