Is it the right arm that is dominant during the downswing and the left just there for the ride?

Swingers use mostly left side power created by the same force as a rock tied onto a string and spun around.

Hitters throw their right arm to hit the ball with.

80-90% of golfers are swingers though many more would do better learning to hit.

“80-90% of golfers are swingers though many more would do better learning to hit”

Thanks Guru, Can you please elaborate on this statement. Are you saying it is better to be a hitter?

It is easier to learn to hit the ball first. You will have to find a TGM teacher to show you how though.

Hitters tend to be very straight players. Little fades that they can talk too. It is harder to hit it as far a swinger if you are not big and strong though. Plenty of big strong people out there on golf courses I visit:)

Dart will like this thread.

Dead right Guru,

Learning how to sense the swinging force, like a ball on a string, is a far too difficult for a serious learner. Any attempt will lead to instant steering and quitting because they know nothing about storing the angles down to impact.

It is very easy for the pros to demonstrate, they learned it years ago and can’t imagine why everyone can’t do it. They can also resort to punch shots, hitting method, without realising what they are doing if that shot is required.

Anyone can learn to hit the ball well with this punch shot method in minutes. Once they get just a little bit clever they can switch to swinging because they will have learned the alignments while hitting.

If there is any interest we can give a brief instructional.

Oh yaaaassss, please!

I will sit back and soak this one up:)

Swinger v hitter – is it a case of never the twain shall meet? or can one be both a swinger and a hitter. I was told early on by a pro that the right arm just coasts along and this was reflected in the right hand grip which at address was kept soft at the softness maintained at all times throughout the swing. People call me a swinger. I’d like to learn how to hit. So I’m interested in the instructional too

You can learn to hit and to swing. The mechanics are so different that in that sense if mixed they produce a swit and the shot is a right mess:)

After reading and applying most of the articles in Golf School I think I am becoming more of a hitter. Also interested in instructional :)

You can learn to hit and to swing. The mechanics are so different that in that sense if mixed they produce a swit and the shot is a right mess:)

Guru

Is one of the main differences between the two where the right elbow is located at impact ?

As I hinted above this is a pet topic of The Darts so do not wish to steal his thunder and enthusiasm.

By the way it would seem he is making a good recovery from his big hip job. It will be great to see him swinging a club again in a month or so:)

Usually Wilkie but not necessarily.

I have a second wife who did go from 27> 14 in two years when she was 55 years old and 49 Kgs with her elbow in the basic push position from which she could hit or swing. It drove me insane but you can push them only so far before they tell to go and $#@& yourself.

She got it right years later when she learned to lay it off on the downswing. But you see what I mean.

Did he punch it or pitch it is the only question, some times only he knows. It can be impossible to see the difference. It can be done with all other variations but is easier with the right ones, which we will talk about.

Thanks guys, I will do a blurb on hitting but I would like a few more hands up, just to see where you are coming from.

Spike and Apocalypto are mainstream and too straight forward to be very clear. So anyone?

Thanks guys, I will do a blurb on hitting but I would like a few more hands up, just to see where you are coming from.

Spike and Apocalypto are mainstream and too straight forward to be very clear. So anyone?

Dart-

Always wanting to learn more, I’d absolutely love for you to do a hitting blurb.

Dart how about an artilce on Hitting that you can take questions on in here? Some players will have no idea of the differences initially so may find it hard to formulate the right questions.

A hitting article would be very informative.
To me, as long as one is holding onto the club with the right hand, then the golf stroke is never absent of some contribution from hitting. Thus, I am of the belief that all golf strokes are rooted in hitting.

Jazz: those who use CForce to swing have plenty of maths behind the right arm being almost useless through impact as far a speed is concerned.

Even the strong one arm lefty players can’t hit as far as normal two arm guy.

It is a matter of feel illusion. As the two arm swing develops and the release becomes later and later the feel of all release fades. A good player can’t feel the club uncock or roll and certainly can’t feel the right arm work even though 65% of the power flows through it.

Dart how about an artilce on Hitting that you can take questions on in here? Some players will have no idea of the differences initially so may find it hard to formulate the right questions.

Guru,

Lets do both as the article may take time and the instructional only a few words. The article could explain, sell and encourage. This will be rough and ready.

HITTING. Grab the club strongly in the palm of your hands, brace your legs. Swing half way back and a quarter way through. Do like you are trying to break the shaft on the takeaway, changeover and impact. This should be fast and furious and take all your strength.

Now you have learned Drive Loading (hitting). You may have to swing more to the right than usual if you pull. You can with this “technique” manipulate the clubface if you slice or hook. The physical force of the movement will shape the minor details. When the force knocks the rough edges off it feels quite good and all in one session. It gets better for about three months then that’s it.

The result is not the longest ball you ever hit but the most solid. It is a high thrust low velocity trick and will beat the flimsy flippy wristed stuff of most players.

When you get tired of hitting, a simple shift to a lighter grip and longer swing will be a breeze.

You can do both at the same time but it won’t beat either done purely.

Every one should know both. All good players do.

Once you “get it” you can ease up and refine it to your own liking.

Can you see why this is not in books. Not enough pages for a start.

Dart-

In Hitting 101: Are you saying that you only take the club up to right forearm parallel to the ground position (acquired motion) on the backswing, and then “finish” at both arms straight position (follow through)? Are you essentially describing a “punch shot” versus a “pitch shot”?

How about Hitting 201:

Elbow location: Is it in a punch shot position, rather than pitch position?

Elbow location at the top of the swing: How does it differ from Swinging?

Clubhead rotation on takeaway and at the top: Is there still a “quarter turn” (i.e. where does #3 (right index finger pressure point) position end up at the top of the swing [i.e. is the location different than with a swinging motion]?

Hinging: Is it an angled hinge action rather than the automatic horizontal hinge action caused by centrifigul force with a swinging motion?

Talking about hitting, what I am saying is the golf swing or hit is 90% Physics. This Drive Loading (working the downswing against the backswing) is the entry point to it all and if you don’t “get it” every thing just become more and more complex questions. Precision comes later. A faulty beginning, says Homer is fatal. Lets come back to life. It ain’t that hard after the first five swings.

The answers to those questions are answered firstly by doing the instruction 101. Forget the details for now but feel the force.

This force feel is what it is all built on !!!!!

201 Are straight out of the book, which I am sure you know.

A lot of people learn “it” when they are angry and just smash one.

The reason high force and short swing works is that the body has to use big muscles for heavy work and light for faster work the result is all muscles and bones working at their optimum level.

The golfing world calls this rhythm and can be used at any tempo; once you find ‘it’.

If you have Lag you have Rhythm and that’s ‘it’. Then we can concern ourselves with alignment golf for happily ever after.

Beautifully explained.

Thanks Dart :-)

Cheers

(PS together with your video re. basic pattern – hitting on the Peter Croker site.)

Wilkie,

You must have educated ears.

You may be the only one that heard or saw that.

I want them to feel ‘it”.