At what point after impact should the right hand rotate on top of the left. Is it when the hands are about hip height?
Also should this be a concerted effort or a natural result of following through?

After both arms have reached being straight in the follow through, then the finish swivel takes the right hand over the left. The finish swivel is a left hand continuation of its roll, not so much an active right forearm roll over.

I don’t think that the right hand really rolls over the left hand even with a completed swivel action. When the swivel action is complete the back of the flat left wrist should be lying against the inclined plane, and the right wrist will be straight with the right palm facing the inclined plane. However, the left hand should not be supinated so that the back of the left hand faces the ground and the right hand should not be pronated so that the right palm faces the ground. That represents a complete hand roll over action that shouldn’t necessarily occur in a standard swing. A complete hand roll over action occurs if a golfer fails to turn the torso through the shot. If a golfer turns the torso after impact so that the chest faces the target in the followthrough and the hands remain in front of the body, a complete hand roll over action shouldn’t happen.

Jeff

When the swivel action is complete the back of the flat left wrist should be lying against the inclined plane, and the right wrist will be straight with the right palm facing the inclined plane.

Jeff

Jeff, this is part of the discussion I was having in the FLW in the finish swivel thread. The only way both wrists can be flat at that point is if your elbows are basically touching. If your left wrist is flat and the elbows are separated then the right wrist would be bent slightly rather than straight. Probably splitting hairs here because at that point the arms are fully extended and the elbows are pretty close so for all intents and purposes both wrists could be pretty flat, but from the other thread it seems it is desirable to maintain the right wrist bend through to the finish if possible. This is an area I am working on so that is why I am taking an interest in it. I know my current tendency once the arms get about to shoulder height on the follow through is for the right wrist to go straight and the left wrist to flex back slightly.

LforL

You are correct – both wrists cannot be perfectly flat at the end of the swivel action. What happens in the standard completed swivel action when the hands are at shoulder height, is that the hands will usually appear as they are when they are at address with a central hand position – the left wrist may be slightly cupped and the right wrist may be slightly cupped. However, it is possible that the hands may end up with the i) left wrist flat and the right wrist still slightly dorsiflexed (bent backwards) or the ii) left wrist may be slightly cupped (dorsiflexed) and the right wrist flat or slightly arched (palmar flexed). The cause for the slight variation is partly dependent on the degree of roll over that occurs during the swivel action and the momentum of the clubshaft as it completes the swivel action. It is also dependent on the intention of the golfer – some golfers deliberately maintain lag throughout the followthrough and deliberately maintain some right wrist bend (dorsiflexion) all the way to the finish position. In that case, the back of the left wrist will be flat against the inclined plane, and the right wrist will still be bent back (dorsiflexed) slightly.

However, there should not be complete roll-over where the left hand supinates to a great degree and the right hand pronates to a marked degree.

Jeff.

LforL

Here is another explanation that may help you understand the variations of the degree of flatness of the left and right wrists at the end of the swivel action.

Do the following experiment. Hold a golf club and get to a completed swivel action position where the clubshaft is along the inclined plane. The back of the FLW should be against the plane and the right wrist should be slightly dorsiflexed (cupped). Now simply allow the right hand to pronate over a supinating left hand until the clubshaft is parallel to the ground – the back of the left hand and palm of the right hand should be parallel to the ground. That’s a complete rollover position. Note that the right wrist is much flatter while the left wrist is still flat. In other words, forerarm roll over action allows the right hand to pronate over the left hand and it allows the right wrist to become flatter without the left wrist necessarily becoming less flat.

In a normal golf swing, the clubshaft should theoretically be along the inclined plane at the end of the swivel action. In that situation, the left wrist will be flat against the inclined plane and the right wrist will be slightly bent (due to an incomplete roll over action).

Jeff.

The experiment you mentioned I would imagine would look similar to the picture in this gallery labeled 422-11. I find that position very difficult to achieve and I note that both wrists are basically flat in this picture. I agree with your descriptions, I am just trying to get to the normal position with the left wrist flat against the plane and a slightly bent right wrist at this point.

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LforL: make yourself a flail and you will work it out in about 10 minutes. Then do it slowly with your left hand on the club only. It will feel like you get to the straight left arm position in the follow through and then turn it upside down. When you make that move the left elbow starts to fold and point towards your hip. Then do the same action with the both hands on the club. It will make sense.

At what point after impact should the right hand rotate on top of the left. Is it when the hands are about hip height?
Also should this be a concerted effort or a natural result of following through?

GottaStart,

This being the most important area of your golfing life, take the time to do a full search on through your own experience. It can only be earlier or later or some place in between.

There is a natural place for you now and it will change as your swing improves but you will only find it by close inspection. You can’t have too much swivel until you find yours.

Most of the advise in this area is where someone else finished up at the end of their journey,useless to you. The flail is good.

LforL: make yourself a flail and you will work it out in about 10 minutes. Then do it slowly with your left hand on the club only. It will feel like you get to the straight left arm position in the follow through and then turn it upside down. When you make that move the left elbow starts to fold and point towards your hip. Then do the same action with the both hands on the club. It will make sense.

Thanks, I will do that. I saw the video with Paul H. where he has the hinged piece of wood. I think that is what you are talking about, right?

LforL: make yourself a flail and you will work it out in about 10 minutes. Then do it slowly with your left hand on the club only. It will feel like you get to the straight left arm position in the follow through and then turn it upside down. When you make that move the left elbow starts to fold and point towards your hip. Then do the same action with the both hands on the club. It will make sense.

Thanks, I will do that. I saw the video with Paul H. where he has the hinged piece of wood. I think that is what you are talking about, right?

Yes, that is the flail.

That is the finish swivel, you can also consider the release, ie when your right hand releases the stored power.

You can start releasing from the top, as long as you dont finish until past the ball. Thats a sweep release.

You can start to release at anytime through the downswing, which is a random release.

You can wait till the last moment and throw the hands for a snap release, quite powerful, but you will need to read up on aiming points as well..

Finally once you have a good swing you can try a flip release, which also is very powerful but timing is critical.

My point is that if you are releasing your right hand correctly, the finish swivel becomes easier because your right hand isnt trying to catch up. A lot of slicers fail to release at all so trying to do a finish swivel with a wide open face is houdini stuff. Consider if your right wrist is under your left after impact because you havent released, how on earth are you then going to get it over the top for a finish????

I have always found this ‘rotating’ thing very tough to do…..i am still trying to get it right

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you will find you have to do it earlier with a driver, due to the longer club taking more time to come around. Irons are easier as they take less time.

This is one general reason why scrubbers can hit say 7 iron and less okay, but anything longer and they suck. The club head just cant close in time.

with a slow swing, think of the toe of the club leading the rest of the club AFTER impact, but make sure your hands are ahead of the ball at impact otherwise you will flip it.