My Swing – Back
- this one actually went pretty straight, all be it not where i was quite intending.

Swing 2 – side on

The quality is absolutely crap on youtube… but you get the idea

Nik,

Love your potential. Now start from the most basic idea you can think of and work from there.

Meaning, your basic ability is great but you basic know how is nil.

Words like balance and rhythm overwhelm me. Just stand there and make a simple motion that is basically tidy. If then there is some failing, it would be easy to see.

What you have now is a train wreck with no obvious cause except the driver had a brain explosion.

your follow thru reminds me a bit of lonard only yours is longer!

Looks like you are trying to lift the ball…you need to work on impact dynamics some more.

Overall there is athletic potential there for sure!

Musclin’ it. Technique, not effort. “Effort is not power.” Homer Kelley
Work on pivot first, then work on feel in the hands, then have “educated hands” direct the “educated pivot”.
Watch that right knee.

(From an unqualified observer.)

Fishing is a good game too

lol!

just teasing – I’m not brave enough to upload my car crash!

This was taken before i went through the swing fix guide and got some pointers from the site in my other thread.

The hands thing i still dont quite get… nor the feel… i just do what feels natural to me… which is the obvious problem… at least with my dads huge slice he knows hes going to slice and can adjust his aim for it.

My launch is so irratic its near impossible to set myself up to aim properly. My irons have improved to no end with the swing fix and i thought my drive had too when i went to the driving range, but when i played on sunday it was the same.

Was still getting great distance… only into the trees, i think i only hit 3 fairways and one of them was after rebounding off a tree :) It wasnt a huge slice, just a slight tail at the end when it was getting to the highest point.

I see what you mean about lifting toolish, just after impact… what sort of effect would that have on the ball?

Nik,

Love your potential. Now start from the most basic idea you can think of and work from there.

Meaning, your basic ability is great but you basic know how is nil.

Words like balance and rhythm overwhelm me. Just stand there and make a simple motion that is basically tidy. If then there is some failing, it would be easy to see.

What you have now is a train wreck with no obvious cause except the driver had a brain explosion.

Hopefully the lessons i get over summer can help me with the know how… i read a lot of the stuff on here and get a general idea but its not quite the same as getting hands on lessons i spose.

nik…by trying to lift it you are flipping it a bit and that leads to all sorts of inconsistency in contact. The club needs to be going down and out through the ball…it really is a key to good shots.

Can the driver hit the ball with a level or slight up swing?

Can the driver hit the ball with a level or slight up swing?

Reverse every natural instinct you have and do just the opposite of what you are inclined to do and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing. – BEN HOGAN, POWER GOLF

Yes, but there are consequences. The more “level” or “up” the point of impact is, the less backspin there will be on the ball. The less backspin, the more side spin – i.e hook or, more likely, slice as a result.

Distance for the long driving fraternity seems to be, they maintain, increased if they hit up on the ball but there has to be compensations in the stroke to avoid hoicking the ball OB left.

The most efficient point of impact for distance with uncompensated accuracy would be immediately prior to the club head reaching low point – i.e as it is still on its downward arc of travel.

Once ive had some lessons i’ll post up a “revised swing”

Quote Toolish…The club needs to be going down and out through the ball…it really is a key to good shots.

Toolish I am confused here, I was always taught to hit the driver on the upswing just after impact. Isn’t that why the ball is positioned just forward of the left armpit. i.e. forward of the bottom of the swing on the way up.

Having said that some of the things you’ve said have helped me tremendously.

chinaalan: Your pro has confused you with a ‘do this’ without explaining what goes with what where.

You can hit the driver outside your left shoulder on the up. However you must be swinging ‘down plane’ so feeling you are still swinging your arms out of their sockets downwards (even though the are now traveling up – because your left hand has to go up once it passes low point). Burners comments ring loud and clear and correct.

If you hit it straight from where you are playing then thats fine, as the further forward with a full roll you go the less right the ball will fly unless you are OTT. It is why many coaches put the ball way way forward rather than fix the real lack of roll issue.

Are you up in HKG?

SO that explains why when i tried to tee it up on the outside of my left foot it hooked… and as i gradually moved it back it became straighter or had a slight slice on it at the end… so basically my wrists are rolling over at the same point every time? Is that what it means

Probably got the right idea there.

Hi GG

No I am in a place called Huidong about 180 klms north west from HK. But we do have a great golf course and not overcrowded. I am actually from Townsville NQld.

Thanks for the xplanation NOW I see.!

China: I grew up in HKG and live in Perth now. This world is such a small village. Last time I went into China was late ‘80s driving between Macau and Canton and back to HKG. All the land was just bulldozed flat for miles and miles readying it for all the factories that are now there.

Cannot wait to go back and see golf courses as well as all the concrete:)

GG Anytime you’re over here you’ll be my guest!

Stay tuned for late next year:)

Toolish,

I have seen you say regularly about hitting down and out.

Isn’t there a risk of players coming over the top?

Secondly, how does the down and out theory work for Driving Ranges? I use a driving Range for 90%+ of my practice as neither of the two clubs I’m a member of have practice facilities worth talking about.

Toolish,

I have seen you say regularly about hitting down and out.

Isn’t there a risk of players coming over the top?

Secondly, how does the down and out theory work for Driving Ranges? I use a driving Range for 90%+ of my practice as neither of the two clubs I’m a member of have practice facilities worth talking about.

wouldn’t over the top be read as “down and in”?

Toolish,

I have seen you say regularly about hitting down and out.

Isn’t there a risk of players coming over the top?

Secondly, how does the down and out theory work for Driving Ranges? I use a driving Range for 90%+ of my practice as neither of the two clubs I’m a member of have practice facilities worth talking about.

clubhead going out is the opposite of over the top mate…by definition pretty well (I am a bit confused by how you think it encourages OTT, we must be losing something in the communication). That is the reason I harp on about it so much, a slight OTT is my major problem so I am constantly working on a 3 Dimensional impact to improve that…and I have seen so many others who would benefit from working on the same.

As for how to practise it at the range, there is a great drill for this, email me at bdean AT internode dot on dot net and I will send you some details on one.

Cheers Toolish.

When you say “Down and out” and “Down and in” together, it makes it clearer.

I’ll email you – it will come from Andrew Norrby

Styles, you seem to be ‘getting’ the Freddy Down and Out and In’ ringing quite clearly. Good stuff!