Hi guru,can you please tell me at what stage in d/swing would you uncock r/wrist,I have my r/palm skyward in top of backswing in cocked position,I try to leave wrist bent back until Im thru impact,but at what point in d/swing should I uncock r/ wrist down.

Brownman…not guru but will have a shot (now I can access the site I just want to post!)

Firstly it sounds like you are getting cocking and bending a bit confused so lets clarify that.

According to TGM, and these are also pretty standard definitions.

Hold your right arm straight out in front of you with thumb vertical. Without moving your arm, move your wrist so your thumb points more back straight over your head, this is cocked, now move your wrist so your thumb points away from you…this is uncocked. The cocking motion is all vertical to the plane of the forearm.

Now, from that same starting position move your wrist so the back of your hand is facing you. This is bent. Now move the wrist so the palm faces you. This is arched.

While we are going, return to the start position, put your left arm up to. Now rotate your forearms so both of your thumb points horizontally to the right this is turned. Now rotate it so they both point left, this is rolled.

That summarises the wrist/hand conditions. What do you do with them through the stroke…depends a bit if you are a hitter or a swinger, and how you address the ball…but the right wrist generally shouldn’t cock, it will bend. If you cock, unless you have a very strong grip or roll it a lot, then you will get off plane…left wrist will cock though.

Trying to maintain the right wrist bend through impact can be a very good thought, but you must make sure your left wrist uncocks and that you roll through impact. Where this uncocking begins is up to you, just make sure it finishes after the ball.

Brownman…not guru but will have a shot (now I can access the site I just want to post!)

Firstly it sounds like you are getting cocking and bending a bit confused so lets clarify that.

According to TGM, and these are also pretty standard definitions.

Hold your right arm straight out in front of you with thumb vertical. Without moving your arm, move your wrist so your thumb points more back straight over your head, this is cocked, now move your wrist so your thumb points away from you…this is uncocked. The cocking motion is all vertical to the plane of the forearm.

Now, from that same starting position move your wrist so the back of your hand is facing you. This is bent. Now move the wrist so the palm faces you. This is arched.

While we are going, return to the start position, put your left arm up to. Now rotate your forearms so both of your thumb points horizontally to the right this is turned. Now rotate it so they both point left, this is rolled.

That summarises the wrist/hand conditions. What do you do with them through the stroke…depends a bit if you are a hitter or a swinger, and how you address the ball…but the right wrist generally shouldn’t cock, it will bend. If you cock, unless you have a very strong grip or roll it a lot, then you will get off plane…left wrist will cock though.

Trying to maintain the right wrist bend through impact can be a very good thought, but you must make sure your left wrist uncocks and that you roll through impact. Where this uncocking begins is up to you, just make sure it finishes after the ball.

Thanks Toolish,helpful reply,I do know differences between bend and cocking of wrist your summary is also in line with mine.With my swing I have always added the wrist cock at top of my backswing incorporated with wrist bend ,I get the definite feeling of flw at the top I suppose you could say it gives me a feeling of FLW confirmation if you can follow that. On the d/swing Ihave a tendency to uncock my r/wrist downward this I feel happens at the same time as my r/forearm is aproaching impact.Im not saying this is right Im saying this is whatI do,I suppose that really is crux of my question. Should I in fact be doing this.Hope you can follow my question.Thanks again for your input .Terry

First up the the right wrist gets bent but does not cock unless you wish to throw yourself off plane.

The right wrist bend stays in place until either both arms straight in the follow through or all the way to the finish. Notice this is way after the ball has gone.

So why the two ways to the finish? One keeps the left wrist flat through the entire stroke and has the shaft and sweet spot on plane. It helps to learn this finish swivel as it helps prevent a breakdown of the Flat Left Wrist through impact.

The bending left wrist past both arms straight keeps the shaft and clubface on plane in the follow through. So the looks are really different.

Actively straightening the right wrist during the downstroke we know is a big no no:)

Guru and toolish,thank you for reply,will take info on board,board keeps breaking in practice.lol

Guru,sorry I couldnt finish this thread as I had to run.Having a problem with your reply,I think you may have misunderstood my question,I was reffering to w/cock in back swing and releasing w/cock in d/swing,I,m not reffering to w/bend.I have always had w/cock in my swing,Hard to comprehend not having any wrist cock.Am I missing something

“Actively straightening the right wrist during the downstroke we know is a big no no:)”.

What a concept!My only thought is to make sure that both wrists are perfectly straight at impact. Looks like all the lesons that I have had in W.A. may have been pointless, as I cannot recall anyone point out this major fault. Next lessons should be with you Paul. Just need to know how to contact you?

woteye,

I could see the lights go on way over here in Sydney. You brightened up my night.

ph

The light was so bright in my noggin ,that when i went to the range today to try out my new found wisdom i completly forgot other things in the swing,like follow through. Needless to say i pulled or hooked almost every shot.With this in mind I will be back on the range tommorow. I did mention to club pro about bend in right wrist until after impact, and he laughed,said it was fool hardy to try such a thing .Could say more, but for fear of defarmation of carracter…........

Good for you.

ph

snap it on impact my friend and rotate to finish your swing.

I am having problems seeing how the left wrist can be cocked and the right wrist not. Both hands are gripping the shaft, if the left wrist cocks and lifts the shaft the right hand must follow suit. Now if the left wrist is exactly perpindicular to the right palm then the action will bend the right wrist back instead of cocking it too but that is not exactly the case. What am I missing here? I do have a bend or angle in my right wrist/forearm at set up and try to get my left wrist flat but it just seems the right wrist has to cock a little bit with how much depending on how one grips the club. Maybe I am just gripping wrong but I think I have a pretty good grip.

Right arm cock for the right wrist so it can freeze level. Makes for a really firm action if you like that kind of thing

I am having problems seeing how the left wrist can be cocked and the right wrist not. Both hands are gripping the shaft, if the left wrist cocks and lifts the shaft the right hand must follow suit. Now if the left wrist is exactly perpindicular to the right palm then the action will bend the right wrist back instead of cocking it too but that is not exactly the case. What am I missing here? I do have a bend or angle in my right wrist/forearm at set up and try to get my left wrist flat but it just seems the right wrist has to cock a little bit with how much depending on how one grips the club. Maybe I am just gripping wrong but I think I have a pretty good grip.

eh….. got a picture? hehe… whichever arm is facing the sky, that’s the one that needs to be cocked. like if you were me, not a left-hander. my right wrist will be the one that’s cocked. left will just follow.

if you have a strong grip, you’ll definitely be ‘bending’, cocking both wrists to a larger extent.

I am having problems seeing how the left wrist can be cocked and the right wrist not. Both hands are gripping the shaft, if the left wrist cocks and lifts the shaft the right hand must follow suit. Now if the left wrist is exactly perpindicular to the right palm then the action will bend the right wrist back instead of cocking it too but that is not exactly the case. What am I missing here? I do have a bend or angle in my right wrist/forearm at set up and try to get my left wrist flat but it just seems the right wrist has to cock a little bit with how much depending on how one grips the club. Maybe I am just gripping wrong but I think I have a pretty good grip.

Herb, with a ‘standard’ grip, the right wrist will bend as the left cocks. This is because, contrary to popular opinion, the wrists and palms are not parallel at address. The left palm face more down towards the ground while the right palm faces more towards the target. As the left wrist cocks, the clubhead moves away from the target causing the right wrist to bend.

However, if the right hand grip is considerably stronger than ‘standard’, then the right wrist can be cocked with the left. I have an ultra strong right hand grip which allows me to do just this. Admittedly, there is still some slight right wrist bend but it is minimal in comparison to a normal swing.

Remember, for both wrists to cock on the same plane, the back of both hands must be parallel and this will require a much stronger right hand grip than is considered normal.

Mick

“Actively straightening the right wrist during the downstroke we know is a big no no:)”.

What a concept!My only thought is to make sure that both wrists are perfectly straight at impact. Looks like all the lesons that I have had in W.A. may have been pointless, as I cannot recall anyone point out this major fault. Next lessons should be with you Paul. Just need to know how to contact you?

Drop me an e-mail to golfguru AT iseekgolf.com

Hi guru,can you please tell me at what stage in d/swing would you uncock r/wrist,I have my r/palm skyward in top of backswing in cocked position,I try to leave wrist bent back until Im thru impact,but at what point in d/swing should I uncock r/ wrist down.

You don’t uncock the right wrist because it’s never cocked. It bends back while keeping the shaft in-line with your right forearm. This is the right forearm flying wedge and we always want it to maintain its structure. You should also never have to “try” to keep it bent back. Swinging the club off-line or off-plane bends the delivery line and left wrist. The flat left wrist / bent right wrist through impact is a result of proper delivery.

You don’t uncock the right wrist because it’s never cocked.

Exactly – and as for uncocking the left wrist – it is up to you. some people do it late and some people do it early.

Just as long as you DO IT !!! Remember PH’s comment… UNCOCK and ROLL through impact…

and lastly – left wrist is still bent at impact…. it straightens out a bit later..

Enjoy