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http://www.golfdigest.com/i... What the heck are they doing?
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That is mind blowing. Reading the swing definition describes compensation after compensation to form it. For example: "Because the body is leaning on the front side, the club comes down steeply and will crash into the ground unless the swing shallows out. The pelvic thrust takes some of the steepness out of the swing." ??? Their intentions are good. Focused towards achieving a solid repeatable impact: "What you have to do above everything else is control where your club hits the ground. That's how you make solid contact with the ball, and that's what the Stack & Tilt Swing is all about." Though their comparisons to the "conventional swing" are a joke. I would take the "stack and tilt" over the conventional swing they use. I don't know what to say yet about the "stack and tilt". At the moment they seem halfway to Gary Edwin's ideas (which frankly are fantastic). Baddeley's impact seems good though...
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Why does this swing remind me of Sam Snead? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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My understanding of swing models isn't a strong point, so correct me if I'm wrong but I see something very similar to that of the GE Swing?
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It resembles the setup slightly, but in no way the pivot or any angles during the swing. The ONE BIG commonality between the two is their desire to address the terrible pivot in the "conventional swing". So no real resemblance at all. Later on I might elaborate. I'm almost sure Virge will for you.
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I'm no expert on GE but my understanding is that you set your
axis tilt at address and maintain your angles throughout a very
solid backswing pivot but this "new swing" is saying
reverse pivot on the backswing and slide the hips through. Not
for the faint hearted
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In our swing model we teach that the left knee should point out toward the toes of the left foot. If this is what Mike and Andy are illuding to then I think it is great. This action is a very "early set" in the takeaway/backswing. There are different ways and times to "set" the launch pad. Not sure about the article and the pictures as they could be misleading. Seems like those represent more of a drill or "feels like" kinda thing...not sure.
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Now there's an Edwin move !!
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I don't want to discourage anyone from tinkering and trying new things to improve their golf swing. I will say that digging it out is the only way to becoming a great ball striker. If you hook the ball this could be your answer, however if your a fader or chronic slicer BEWARE. This ain't no cure or swing tip. You have to apply everything that they are teaching to achieve the desired results. Then everyone knows when you make a swing change you get worst before you get better. This is not a model golf swing and the majority of the pros on PGA tours are not doing this. Get some tape of Justin Leonard and his swing which is a big muscle swing and little or no hand action. That would be the swing that I would want someone to learn if they really had a problem properly releasing through the ball. Its a baseball swing basically with a abbrivated follow through. The ball comes out low and either goes straight or with a slight fade or draw depending on how you grip the club. As far as the stack and tilt goes its got good fundamentals and bad. The bad being as you get older your back is going to suffer.
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Kinda… Snead doesn't lean to his left THAT much tho…
From the article: Snead video: YouTube Video
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Can anyone see the trap. ( Another one bites the dust ) There are different moves And none are crap. It doesn't really matter how you swing through But the basic- mechanics -do. If you keep chasing round and round Without being stable You will run aground Don't do drugs or alcohol binge Get on plane with a horizontal hinge Anon
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BTW...I should add that in those pics I do realize that Snead is hitting a driver...but, in the article anyway, I don't see them NOT saying you should lean more to your right with a driver.
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I actually find that my misses are LEFT when using this pattern. Anyone else?
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I've experimented with it a bit lately...tend to the right and so far have had a really hard time turning it over when I want to. Good and bad. (no left misses...but no draws when you want it) If I let the face roll open in the backswing it's ok...vs. a flatter shoulder turn, I can't get away with having less clubface rotation on the backswing as much tho...HOOKS like crazy. Not enough tilt I think...
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Sure they went left. So what to do? Check for hinge motion on plane. Straight, straight, straight. ph
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I wanted to see if anyone had noticed a similar ballflight.
My remedy has been to make sure I'm not coming in too shallow
and to feel more of an angled hinge through impact...
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Matt...are they pulls, draws or smothered hooks? To me the body motion seems like it should tend to misses right but I can see a smothred hook sneaking in too for better players... Then again I may be off base...have not tried this swing myself.
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When I started to read this I thought Ok it's a GE clone but then the massive shoulder tilt put paid to that. There are some similarities and I'm betting they have seen the GE motion, but I look at that swing in entirety and think of what my chiropractor would say? It's going to produce some real lower back problems if you do what they ask you to. The 'covering' of the ball at address and through the swing, keeping the right leg straighter, more compact backswing, these things in theory are all fine but after that the big inside path, big tilt, inside downswing, and straightening of the spine angle through impact is not GE. Nor is that reverse 'C' finish that they're encouraging. OUCH. My lower back hurts just thinking of it. I do however think Badderly has been looking better but I don't think he's doing too much of what these guys are talking about. I'll look again next time.
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333, Again, I agree with you on this one, too. About a year ago I was working on this very move, although it was more concentrated on how far the left knee could bend outward (in front of the ball) in the backswing. What I found was that it allowed me to turn more fully with the hips and shoulders without leaving the ball...so to speak. The other differences were that I didn't let my right leg straighten and the pressure went more to the left heel. And, there were varying degrees of difference when going to a longer club due to the required set up alignments for those clubs.
The reaction caused by my downswing was to stand up tall through
impact. However, using the horizontal hinge eliminated any
reverse C finish. The other thing I found was that it creates a
lot of space for the clubhead to come down more from the inside
and the clubface wide open.. if you have the guts for it.
My thinking is that some of the pictures in the article were exteme ones...like doing a drill to get the feeling of it.
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Tends to want to draw, with the occasional "smother hook" miss. Bear in mind that I haven't practiced this diligently - just here and there. Those are the ball flight patterns I see when I work on this model.
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My second try today. After adjusting Impact Dynamics I found it a better pattern than mine. Firstly I was able to load more heavily into the ground. Secondly the shoulder arm wrist and hand package was a better construction. I don't' think this is for flippers. ph
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Stack and tilt is not that bad a pattern.. they are just posting up on their left side and using their body to release the clubhead... I know they say you shoudl reverse pivot - but none of them actully do. You usually see a pretty solid left side, then they just rotate though... Minimal back pain too... I just don't think too much control on ball flight . . . and hook central on a bad day. Each to their own though. The coil/turn/shoudler turn in the GE swing has a totally differnet direction. Also the hips stay level and we swing more around... not not really in the same ball park. I am not a fan of the hips moving up and down... that just scares me.
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For me, the most important part isn't the maligned tilt, but the action of the lower body on the downswing. Regardless of what kind of backswing I use, either conventional or 'future', if my lower body is stuck, I flip, and/or hit it fat or thin.
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What they say they are doing and what they are actually doing is not the same, check out the link below. Baddeley doesn't have as much weight on his left on actual shots than he does on the photo stills.
By way there is no such thing as a 'reverse pivot.' Pivot - defined as "The act of turning on (or as if on) a pivot"
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Justin, I totally agree. BTW, thanks for adding clarity to an otherwise cliche in golf! Love your swing, too!!!
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