Fos for example I would love to have back here. I think he’s great for the place, and I think he loves contributing here. There is a barrier as we all know. He’s a very passionate man – that Mediterranean blood hey! :-) So he is inclined to go past the line sometimes when his emotions get the best of him. I understand ISG’s position. And to be fair to them it is not only reasonable but probably their only choice.

The real shame, and most of us know this already, is that Fos is knowledgeable, entertaining and generous with his help. So we miss that. I don’t like it when he rips into people I admire and like. Similarly I don’t like it when they try and tear him a new one. But I’m not surprised – it’s human nature. There are some big personalities here who have sacrificed a lot to learn what they know. They aren’t going to take being disagreed with lying down. And written threads are very difficult places to work out things to a ‘we agree to disagree’ point. Very difficult.

Such is life.

I hope that I’ve written this properly. If anyone feels I was having a crack at them I hope that they’ll accept that that was not my intention.

It’s hard to get the tone right every time when writing! :-)

I hope that I’ve written this properly. If anyone feels I was having a crack at them I hope that they’ll accept that that was not my intention.

It’s hard to get the tone right every time when writing! :-)

Golflink 4161100078 – 11/3/2013 17.6 – 2013 target single figures
Inaugural Official Handicapper and Treasurer of the SEQ Golf Guys

I love you man…............lol

Good post,weet,it is after all,just a bloody golf forum..lets learn and have fun learning

I just hope everyone stays and keeps posting. We need everyone’s thoughts.

We saw how well things went when they tried to just have pros providing advice – nothing happened (the legend that is Head pro excepted – he was a pillar).

I want to hear from hackers to hackpros to pros! :-)

Even stinkler sometimes says something interesting or useful (there must be something in those 20,000 posts surely?)

Mate ,the posts about the flail,Im not sure you understand what they are on about here,its IG being so condescending of Loren re the flail,hells bells ,Im fairly sure that Loren could explain the “FLAIL” in his sleep.
Condescending maybe a bad choice of words,as I dont mean Ray would have meant it quite that way.,more likely a seniors moment,I dont take ray to be like that in all honesty.

As for different methods,that to is fine,each to their own,imo,as for the seniors moments,I should know,I OWN many moments lol.

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Happy to entertain you Brownie, that’s what I’m here for – expand your knowledge of the game. As for FLAIL in golf, Beldam’s version is the earliest version of the flail concept I could find in my research into the history of the game. Other versions are not the FLAIL concept in its original form. There are various forms of a flail – one form was a tool for threshing grain, another was a weapon of war. Beldam’s flail was a grain thresher which has two leather strips for the thongs. Anyway I’m sure you get the drift of how his concept is adapted to the human machinery.
Personally I couldn’t care a toss how other members view the flail in the golf swing. If it helps them to think of flail in other ways, go for it. The concept I outlined is contained in11 booklets, in clear understandable detail and is part of the history of golf.

I do believe that we dont really need to know ALL of flails in and outs to the absolute letter,as far as the average joe(thats me),just so long as we are simply well aware of of its workings in relation to golf swing .
I actually dont really care who wrote the first ,second or whatever,it just doesnt matter.As far as Homer goes,NEVER in his book did he profess to be the first to pen the flail to paper,he just explained the theory. If your not happy with that then I just dont care lol..cheers

Your previous post indicates that you do care. Then again who knows with your good self.

Im going to give “golf instruction” a miss for a while…..WHY…cause there just isnt. nothing “NEW” here.cheers

Your previous post indicates that you do care. Then again who knows with your good self.

Totally ignorant about almost everything except golf.

Ray,I do care,but just sick of shitfights they are simply non -productive,mind you,this thread hasnt been a shitfight,in fact its been pretty amicable,and interesting to a point cheers,still on the forum,just not in this “ask” segment cheers

The fact is that you are part of what you term “shit fights”. I call it an exchange of viewpoints and knowledge. Egos tend to get bruised in forums.

Your missing the point mate……..you say takeaway his arms rotate counter clockwise and clockwise in the up to top.

What can you see in your 2 posts on this page

6 post

14 post

sorry dont know how that happened with the size wasnt me ray

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Brownman, the # sign at the beginning of the line translates to an html tag h1 or header 1 which is bold and big. It’s reset at the end of the line.

“There is only one golf swing. It’s not a procedure. It’s simple geometry.” Homer Kelley,The Golfing Machine

LynnBlakeGolf

Is that right Ray,well mate bring it on,do you really want to get into it?
You have no idea what your talking about half the time,when the going gets a bit tough,we go blindman thing,which was a load of BS ,being hard to see makes you “WRITE” wrong words,all you do is come up with all your “OWN” theories as if they are enshrined in golf folklore,then to back it up you always drop the inevitable “NAME” as if your great mates,.Talk about Bullshit,your king,tried to be nice to you and with a bit of respect thrown in,and your shiply is what I get,as I said …......Bring it on

I hope that I’ve written this properly. If anyone feels I was having a crack at them I hope that they’ll accept that that was not my intention.

It’s hard to get the tone right every time when writing! :-)

Golflink 4161100078 – 11/3/2013 17.6 – 2013 target single figures
Inaugural Official Handicapper and Treasurer of the SEQ Golf Guys

Weet. Your previous posts have been spot on and very balanced not having a crack at anyone. I don’t agree with the Fos comment though there is way more to that story that I won’t mention here and had to be deleted quickly when he was here.

People here should have a chance to discuss and debate, but need to know where to draw the line at times. Even this thread has a few borderline comments from typically very balanced individuals.

There is a point for all of us to remember, the student is the most important part of the equation. There is not one way to teach, we must understand how the student learns and apply the information to them in a way THEY will understand the best.

We have to get away from being to technical for the average and beginner players, there knowledge base is not ready for that info. It pushes readers away.

KISS ;)

Indeed I would, Ray, as I did for HeadPro.
But you’re not a Seeker.

A biography of the author is not sufficient.
It’s not like anything you’ve ever seen before.
So you can’t make any assumptions.

“There is only one golf swing. It’s not a procedure. It’s simple geometry.” Homer Kelley,The Golfing Machine

LynnBlakeGolf

Loren I already have a pretty fair concept of an efficient golf swing and how it works. How would you know what I have seen, who I have associated with and the extent of my knowledge to make that assumption Loren?

Totally ignorant about almost everything except golf.

Ig,

Homer was an investigative genius. He tried to give us a running start on our thinking.

He once said of a man on the practice tee. “He will be the same in 10 years time”.

You read another book, not study THE book. Reading TGM is useless – you must study it. It is designed to be studied. Writing a precise on TGM is to destroy it.

TGM forces you to examine you prejudice, predilections and false assumptions. Not a book for arrogant people, but it was a very clever thing to do for them.

I think he did an extremely kind thing for a generation he would never meet.

Most books spoon feed you your own thoughts with a different flavour to make you feel you are right.

They don’t clear your thinking.

I thought I had a clear idea of the golf swing every year for 50 years – only to discover heaps more the next day.

Only now do I realise I barely have the faintest idea of what a golf swing is and how to teach it – but I know I am better than some who are certain the know how to teach it.

Dart, we have been down this path before. Please let’s not go there again.

Glad to see you back,can you tell us with your great wisdom as to how the flail is connected with anchoring ban golfdom wishes to impose with the long putter.I cant find the post?

Weety, I agree with just about all that you’ve said in those posts above (prev page).

The problem I see is that most expert contributors are passionate about helping others with golfing skills and have, mostly over many years, developed some methodology with how they’ve successfully helped others. When someone else professes an opposing view on how something might ‘best’ be done, they believe only in their own proven method and decry other ideas. They feel affronted with the suggestion that they may be wrong as they believe they have proven their own ideas, so others must be wrong.

It’s when insults and denigration start flying that problems occur.

So guys (experts), by all means promote your ideas and methods as being ‘the most effective’, but please just accept that somebody else may also have an effective method or system, even though it differs from your own.

As was said above, we all have different triggers that help us learn and we haven’t learnt the task fully until such time as we can do it all consistently and effectively without thinking.

I certainly haven’t got there yet. I’m still looking for the ‘magic bullet’ that might just get through my thick skull and imprint the right feeling into my swing. Keep trying to help guys, I need you. But don’t fight among yourselves.

Glad to see you back,can you tell us with your great wisdom as to how the flail is connected with anchoring ban golfdom wishes to impose with the long putter.I cant find the post?

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

I suspect it will be something to so with the lack of a requirement to manage the slack in the thongs. No flail in an anchored stroke.

I don’t agree with the Fos comment though there is way more to that story that I won’t mention here and had to be deleted quickly when he was here.

I did say that ISG probably didn’t have a choice! :-)

Off topic weet,I see you maybe a starter at B/Bay with stinkmeister,ask him for a hit with honmas,offer to do weird stuff and he will let you….......he is into weird stuff

Weety, I agree with just about all that you’ve said in those posts above (prev page).

The problem I see is that most expert contributors are passionate about helping others with golfing skills and have, mostly over many years, developed some methodology with how they’ve successfully helped others. When someone else professes an opposing view on how something might ‘best’ be done, they believe only in their own proven method and decry other ideas. They feel affronted with the suggestion that they may be wrong as they believe they have proven their own ideas, so others must be wrong.

It’s when insults and denigration start flying that problems occur.

So guys (experts), by all means promote your ideas and methods as being ‘the most effective’, but please just accept that somebody else may also have an effective method or system, even though it differs from your own.

As was said above, we all have different triggers that help us learn and we haven’t learnt the task fully until such time as we can do it all consistently and effectively without thinking.

I certainly haven’t got there yet. I’m still looking for the ‘magic bullet’ that might just get through my thick skull and imprint the right feeling into my swing. Keep trying to help guys, I need you. But don’t fight among yourselves.

OldBogey

GolfLink

OlindaGolfClub

Hello again OB…...........are you stalking me lol

Just keep talking about the golf, it’ll all be fine.

It’s annoying when there’s long posts about politics.

Brownie/Ignor/Dart/OM/Weets, keep the chat going.

Off topic weet,I see you maybe a starter at B/Bay with stinkmeister,ask him for a hit with honmas,offer to do weird stuff and he will let you……....he is into weird stuff

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Not sure how weird I’m prepared to go for organic butter.

Although stinky is a very attractive man, so nature may take it’s course!

Mention the word “GABE” to stinkmeister,and sit back and watch him turn to butter….........oh yeah,it will be “ORGANIC”

Your missing the point mate……..you say takeaway his arms rotate counter clockwise and clockwise in the up to top.

What can you see in your 2 posts on this page

6 post

14 post

sorry dont know how that happened with the size wasnt me ray

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Brownman, the # sign at the beginning of the line translates to an html tag h1 or header 1 which is bold and big. It’s reset at the end of the line.

“There is only one golf swing. It’s not a procedure. It’s simple geometry.” Homer Kelley,The Golfing Machine

LynnBlakeGolf

Is that right Ray,well mate bring it on,do you really want to get into it?
You have no idea what your talking about half the time,when the going gets a bit tough,we go blindman thing,which was a load of BS ,being hard to see makes you “WRITE” wrong words,all you do is come up with all your “OWN” theories as if they are enshrined in golf folklore,then to back it up you always drop the inevitable “NAME” as if your great mates,.Talk about Bullshit,your king,tried to be nice to you and with a bit of respect thrown in,and your shiply is what I get,as I said ……...Bring it on

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Your missing the point mate……..you say takeaway his arms rotate counter clockwise and clockwise in the up to top.

What can you see in your 2 posts on this page

6 post

14 post

sorry dont know how that happened with the size wasnt me ray

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Brownman, the # sign at the beginning of the line translates to an html tag h1 or header 1 which is bold and big. It’s reset at the end of the line.

“There is only one golf swing. It’s not a procedure. It’s simple geometry.” Homer Kelley,The Golfing Machine

LynnBlakeGolf

Is that right Ray,well mate bring it on,do you really want to get into it?
You have no idea what your talking about half the time,when the going gets a bit tough,we go blindman thing,which was a load of BS ,being hard to see makes you “WRITE” wrong words,all you do is come up with all your “OWN” theories as if they are enshrined in golf folklore,then to back it up you always drop the inevitable “NAME” as if your great mates,.Talk about Bullshit,your king,tried to be nice to you and with a bit of respect thrown in,and your shiply is what I get,as I said ………Bring it on

Golfs ABC…………..Always Be Cool……….Thanks paul Hart

Brownie, I almost missed this gem. I think you are getting me confused with the old mav on this one. You have me thinking – this lad is one confused puppy.

Totally ignorant about almost everything except golf.

Im confused…........can you follow up on your post regarding arm rotation or rotations…......you put forward two post contradicting each other,then you blamed your vision for writing “wrong words” not letters but words….........what no name drops on this post