Have been working on the swing a bit. Any thoughts on things to improve on?

http://youtu.be/NEwaQg0hT1s

I would have thought you would be inundated with swing tips from all the prefessional amateurs in this joint.

sorry mate i can’t help apart from a bump to the top.

I would have thought you would be inundated with swing tips from all the prefessional amateurs in this joint.

sorry mate i can’t help apart from a bump to the top.

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Yep I’m sure more qualified people than me will help you aimr75. I’m just a chopper…....as Codboy calls me. ;-)

I would have thought you would be inundated with swing tips from all the prefessional amateurs in this joint.

sorry mate i can’t help apart from a bump to the top.

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Yep I’m sure more qualified people than me will help you aimr75. I’m just a chopper…….as Codboy calls me. ;-)

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no mate, you’ve been to the McCully golf school, you’re a gun now :-)

Tell us about your game aimr75. What is your bad shot?
As for comments about improving your swing, my comment is to rotate your left arm counterclockwise at address so that the elbow faces more in towards the body at address, which is where it needs to be facing at impact. This little adjustment will steepen your backswing plane and make it easier to hit down on the ball from inside.
For some reason you have a very horizontal shoulder turn for your forward torso lean at address. With this shoulder turn the left shoulder blade will slide away from the rib cage where it should be compressed against the rib cage giving the left arm a solid foundation to work from in the downswing. Impact with your shoulder turn will be a slap at the ball. It will lack the power of a body blow.
IMO you need to turn your shoulders at right angles to your upper body lean.

My pleasure aimr75, razaar is one of the few i’d listen to.

razaar, ive had very little course time due to other commitments, so have mostly been trying to work on my swing at home or on the range. I havent had a chance to note the ball path with this current swing as i havent been on the range for a few weeks too. But in the past, my typical bad shot was a slice.. but again, this is with very different mechanics to how my swing looks today.

Interesting point on the horizontal shoulders.. My aim is to try and keep the left arm connected to the torso, so will try get that angle more in line with the upper body lean, Thanks

I’m going to take note of razaar’s post myself.
My backswing plane has always been quite similar to yours aimr75.
Fairly flat.
As a result I’ve always hit the ball a bit shorter than i should for my height and build.

I booked myself for half a dozen lessons a few months back and my coach worked with me to change my plane.
These days my backswing plane is much steeper, creating a much fuller shoulder turn and better contact and an extra club distance has resulted.

Also helped me nullify my misses.
They are generally a weak push, or worse, a hosel rocket.

Have been working on the swing a bit. Any thoughts on things to improve on?

http://youtu.be/NEwaQg0hT1s

aimr,

Love your indoor driving range. I don’t think it will take full power so hit one handed shots.

You can’t destroy a perfect golf swing with one hand. When you are sure you know what a swing feels like, try it with both hands.

This should be a life time drill or at least to single figures in your spare time.

razaar, ive had very little course time due to other commitments, so have mostly been trying to work on my swing at home or on the range. I havent had a chance to note the ball path with this current swing as i havent been on the range for a few weeks too. But in the past, my typical bad shot was a slice.. but again, this is with very different mechanics to how my swing looks today.

Interesting point on the horizontal shoulders.. My aim is to try and keep the left arm connected to the torso, so will try get that angle more in line with the upper body lean, Thanks

The left elbow into the body during the takeaway has the left arm braced with the left shoulder through the full counter clockwise rotation of the left humorous. It also keeps the left shoulder blade firmly in place. The steeper shoulder turn is influenced by resistance in the right arm during the takeaway and upswing. The right elbow is forced down by the right hand pushing downwards in the takeaway. The feeling in the backswing is that the right arm is straight where the forearm is being forced to roll around the elbow by the shoulder turn. This puts lots of pressure on the right shoulder joint which is forced upwards. The feeling in the left shoulder at the top is that it wants to point towards the target rather than away from the target. You will get the idea once you try it.

Are u using real balls, that indoor setup is amazing

aimr75,
Your face is open to the target, is why the ball goes right. Two options to fix this, aim your club face 5 to 10 degrees left set up square to this keep swing the same and the ball will fade onto the target. Option 2 learn to square your face up to the target by rotating your arms and hands earlier in downswing.
Option 1 it a simple way to control the ball and keep it on the golf course. You want to draw just keep the same open face and just swing out to right field more and put ball back in your stance slightly. You can play around with this to you find a way which works best for you.
Rule 1 Get your ball flight under control first make swing alterations later.
My question is if you could keep the ball on the golf course would you want to change your swing?
Are you trying to change your swing because you can’t keep the ball on the golf course?

aimr75,

I’ve downloaded and analyzed your swing frame by frame.
It looks good to me. Your mechanics probably fixed your slice.
I wouldn’t change anything.

The one thing that stands out to me is the seemingly over-active left knee in the backswing.

Dart, thanks, are you referring to this sort of drill:

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razaar, thanks for the pointers. Will try this, however i did try setting up and getting the elbow in toward the body. Seems a little difficult as my left hand is on the stronger side. Maybe about 3 – 3.5 knuckles. How much does it need to be turned toward the body?

Wasabi, not game enough to use real balls inside (they are just plastic practice balls) that setup is very slapped together, just made some room and threw a blanket up. When i get a chance to clean up the garage properly (recently moved into a new house), i will be looking at setting up that area better and there will be much more room to swing. With a thicker blanket, i could possibly hit real balls in there

Zen, curious, can you let me know at what point in the swing you’re seeing the face open? Not disputing it as it may be the case, id just like to see at what point you’re noticing it.
I would prefer not to manipulate the face angle and hit fades. Given my biggest issue in the past has been slices, i would like to turn the ball the other way. When i do hit a draw, i prefer that shot shape, but again, its due to also how much i loath my bad shots being slices.. I have been wanting to change my swing for some time as i simply want to improve. I want to eliminate the slices and hit more fairways/greens. I have been trying to produce a pivot driven swing without manipulating the hands/arms/club face.. if the face is too open, am i possibly not turning hard enough?

Mav, thanks.. would need to at least get on a range soon and see what the flight is like.. with the real test being longer irons and driver. But i have been just focussing on using wedges since if i can’t hit a wedge properly, what point is there using anything beyond that

The elbow needs to be facing into the body during the takeaway as the left arm passes across the body. This is essential to having the elbow facing downwards in the upswing and downswing. The forearm has two bones the ulnar and radius which rotate the forearm as the left arm moves across the chest to the right. The rotation of these bones rotates the clubface. The rotation of the humorous above the elbow rotates the ball joint in the shoulder socket. Therefore we can rotate both sections of the arm in dependant of each other. The grip shouldn’t be influenced by the elbow facing into the body. If it is then there is unnecessary tension in the arms trying to keep the left arm extended. The right hand exerting downwards force in the takeaway through the right thumb pad onto the first knuckle of the left thumb extends the left arm, creating width while maintaining the swing centre. We want that left elbow facing into the body through impact for obvious reasons and we don’t want to add a complication of rotating the upper arm in the downswing.

It takes lots of practice to get it right, but heck you have the facilities in house.

airm75,
I could tell by your swing plane and the starting line of your ball,
Even though your swing plane is left. ( a good thing) Your path is closing to out to in. But the ball starts outside your path.
It appears you have inside, closed, back inside path.
By understanding ball flight laws the ball to draw the face must be pointing closed to your path at impact. To fade the face is open to your path.

The path you produce the ball is starting slightly right which indicates your face must be open to your path because at collision your are now heading back inside.

Option 1 I gave is because the ball is forward and the club is heading on the back to inside path. Aim 5 to 10 degrees left will get the ball starting just left of target and fade back onto it.
To draw the ball just put the ball back slightly so at collision you strike the ball on the inside to out path of your swing. Although make sure your club face is pointing at impact in between your path and target. The face may feel to you it is open to the target. That’s ok roll with it, it’s still closed to you path, that’s all the counts.
In my opinion your swing is ok, I feel you have ball flight control issues.

razaar, thanks for the info, will try this out

Zen, my objectives of late have been to at least get the feel for the ‘correct’ positions in the swing and trying to get those right.. hence in the garage, im concerned more about what my body is doing rather than the ball. But i do have an understanding of the ball flight laws as far as club path and face angle, however in practice, its something i need to understand as far as how to execute.

Are you in melbourne? would be good to go through some of this with you.

I like this pic of the d plane

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aimr75,

Zen has sharp eyes.
I didn’t spend enough time on it, but now I see what he’s talking about.

Your swing path is out to in.
The ball starts to the right.
There’s a difference in clubface angle and path angle.
The ball is slicing as seen in its rebound off the curtain and where it hits the floor.

Set the grip and clubface angle in “Impact Fix” (a Golf School article) and forget it.
Work on a square plane line, which is an apparent in-out path because it’s down the plane angle.

Aimr75,
I’m located in Melbourne and happy to catch up to help you out my email is below.

Moving our body is important, it is our mechanism for power delivery and direction of path, although our hands control the direction of ball flight. To much roll the face can be closed, not enough roll the face is open. It’s pretty hard to learn to square it up every time although we can easily learn to roll our hands a certain speed to ensure the face is closed or open. This is why tour players always endeavour to work the ball, it’s a safer way to play golf to keep the ball on the golf course. I’m keeping this simple, there is other procedures in place, grip etc and more complexities

Through practice we can learn what works best we can learn to be a closers or an opener of the face , we bend our alignment or change ball position to shape the ball either way. Myself I’m an open face player. If I draw put the ball back in stance a fraction, my path is inside out and I keep the face open to the target. Fade I turn my alignments left and move the ball fraction forward. So that my path inside to out. Now it works on an outside to in path , all I do is ensure my face is more open to my path and point where I want to start my ball. I do release the club and not steering, I know my procedures and grip set up etc.

Maverick, when you say out to in what do you mean? Over the top?

Zen, thanks. Will have to free up some time and pay you a visit. Will be in touch

“Over the top” is an out to in swing. With the target line going through the ball, a club head path that is outside the target line before impact (target line is between the club head and the player), and is then inside the target line after impact is “out to in” or “over the top”.

Maverick, when you say out to in what do you mean? Over the top?

Zen, thanks. Will have to free up some time and pay you a visit. Will be in touch

You have an inside, square, back inside path. With TM it’s know as straight down the line plane. (A good thing.) This type of plane changes for each club, a driver as example would be just in line with your left armpit. (square) So if you put the driver in line with your left heal the path would be working back inside (out to in path). If you move the ball back an inch from your arm pit the driver would be working inside to out slightly. By moving the ball changes shot shape. How ever you still need club face control.
This is why we have to move your alignments left for a fade to get starting line right.
You are similar to me.

Maverick, when you say out to in what do you mean? Over the top?

Zen, thanks. Will have to free up some time and pay you a visit. Will be in touch

You have an inside, square, back inside path. With TM it’s know as straight down the line plane. (A good thing.) This type of plane changes for each club, a driver as example would be just in line with your left armpit. (square) So if you put the driver in line with your left heal the path would be working back inside (out to in path). If you move the ball back an inch from your arm pit the driver would be working inside to out slightly. By moving the ball changes shot shape. How ever you still need club face control.
This is why we have to move your alignments left for a fade to get starting line right.
You are similar to me.

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I understand what you mean now by the path being out-to-in or in-to-out relative to the ball position.. my overall path as you say is inside-square-back inside, but relative to the ball position, its either coming in-to-out or out-to-in as you say. Thanks

Aim75,
You have a ton of potential , sure your swing could do with some fine tuning, so can all of us. Although the swing you currently have, if you master your ball control, you have the potential of being a decent low marker. If you can putt and chip ok :)

My advice is I would just focus on just making your swing repetitive so you can do it every time. Just keep on swinging naturally in your garage and not mess with your swing. Focus on having the same rhythm and play pretend golf. You tee off with driver, then you have an 8iron etc. Play 18 holes. In the process use and work on your pre-shot for every shot. Make every swing count.
To learn club face control follow Darts advice, he nailed it on the head hit some left handed shots it teaches you club face control. You could hit a few shots everyday doing this.

Mate it doesn’t matter how we swing, we all get blinded by perfect mechanics at times. What matters is if your swing is repetitive or not.

If you have a repetitive swing and club face control you can play great golf.

Zen, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. Will keep at it