Off and on, I have been doing an on-line course from UDACity.
https://www.udacity.com

There are heaps of courses available and they are great way to get some knowledge in all sorts of subjects and they are all free! I know that there are more and more of these types of on-line courses being made available from a lot of well known institutions and I was wondering if there was anything available in the TGM area? I suspect that there isn’t but thought I’d put the question up, in the off chance.

A structured course based around the yellow book would be a great way to learn about it. Are there legal restrictions to prevent this?

Jack,

Yes. There are legal restrictions against us doing it.

No. You can buy a book and a dictionary and start work.

There is a plethora of information on the net. Sorting out the next move for you is the trick and how to apply it.

udacity is mathematical and easy to learn. TGM is a multifaceted hand eye coordination skill.

Relying on your own feel of what you think are doing with no knowledge of the design and precision required, without a good coach is absolutely futile.

It is much easier to learn a piano or violin than hit a correct golf shot more than 20% of the time and adequate 70% of the time. Trumpet is harder than all these because you have to make the notes with your lips.

Having said that, the golf swing is an extremely simple thing, it is just not what you think. Check out 1-L in the golfing machine. Crazy simple, but we simple people need more help – me too.

Dart,
It was more about getting an understanding of the TGM terms or definitions and concepts. Just getting all those assembled correctly in ones brain is hard enough on its own. Applying all that knowledge is another thing.

The beauty of UDAcity is that after each subject period, you are tested to ensure that you do really understand what you have just studied. That is critical to proper learning.

An on-line course to help one understand TGM at the micro level would be a great foundation to work from when starting to apply it at the macro level. Its like learning a new language, learning the words is the easy bit. Understanding what they mean is an entirely different thing.

Question…..at address if I raise the wrists and get the shaft in line with the magical right forearm should the club face be open to the target line as that is what naturally happens to it ?

Hello, Mr. Watson.

No, I don’t see the clubface being open at mid-body address. It has nothing to do with the right forearm. That should be set when you take the right hand palm grip.
The face will open further by impact, so I’d expect to see it a little closed at mid-body address and a little open with the clubhead behind the hands at impact, if we can achieve that.

Set the grip and take all alignments in Impact Fix (Golf School article). The clubface alignment should be in line with the left arm, radial-ulnar axis, i.e. in the plane of the left wrist cock.

Measure to the ball with the level left wrist, neither cocked nor uncocked.
That takes care of hands’ height at impact.

Alignments at mid-body address mean nothing. Impact is where it counts.

OldMaverick

Thank you for the advice which I wil be using. Today in the comp all I did was make sure the shaft was in line with the right forearm at address and I had one of the best days ever. Hit nearly every fairway, so close to two hole in ones and a few birdies so something must be working :)

Cool.

Hi, TGM Guys,

I’m decided that my next thing to work on is Club Head Throwaway.

My list of things to work on is: don’t hit at pp3, start down slow, keep the right arm in line (the same as TW above), don’t cock the right wrist (keep it level), and don’t steer. Oh, and don’t foist an OTT compensation move with a faulty pivot, either.

My question is related to steering / release / throwaway / overtaking. If I absolutely don’t steer, and I absolutely don’t throwaway, then I get a tendency to just keep going cross line and never feel a “release” or “overtaking” action. That gives a block right.

I can’t quite pin down in my own mind what the feel difference should be between a proper release / overtaking action (good) and steering / throwaway (bad). Both good and bad seem somewhat similar in terms of being “anti block”, but I know that they are really very different.

Putting it another way. When I am practicing and block right, I know I am not steering or throwing away, but I also know I am not releasing and overtaking enough. When I hit one that is not a block, I can’t tell if I fixed the block properly with release/ overtaking or just by steering / throwaway. So I can’t tell if I am doing it right or not.

I hope my question makes sense.

Can you clarify how the difference might feel, or suggest a drill to help me feel a difference, or point me to a part of TGM that is key, please?

Many thanks

Devon,

Your confusion means that you missed something basic. Go back to 4-D-0 and 4-D-1 get it straight.

The feel is yours only, the mechanics are everyone’s.

Some good actions can feel like throwaway because of the overtaking. Some good actions can feel like no release because motion is too fast for the mind to pick up.

The feel of a good action should be changing as the mechanics improve.

Every day is a new feel of the improving mechanics.

Dart,
thanks for the guidance. I feel sure you are right, I am missing something important.

I had a look at the references, and I’ll keep working at it.

thanks again

Dart,
thanks for the guidance. I feel sure you are right, I am missing something important.

I had a look at the references, and I’ll keep working at it.

thanks again

Fan of:
Stan Utley putting and short game
TGM hitting, as explained by Peter Croker / Paul Hart, Lynn Blake.
New ball flight rules
Zen golf
Rory McIlroy, I.K.Kim swings
Fast play, Stableford scoring, windy conditions

Devon,

I have been thinking why I gave such a poor answer.

I think it is because of the way we learn. A simple instruction will mean little the first time around. It will probably be repulsive to us because of our different take on it.

The more times we look at a lesson the more certainty we have.

I think I have relearned the little things 50 times. I don’t understand why humans are such slow learner after the age of 12.

The number of times I have said why did I not see that before, astounds me.

The wife and I built a glass house last week. Very bonding. There were 120 pieces and 205 nuts and bolts. We made 15 errors in reading and application. I don’t feel so bad about mistakes with golf. I judge golf in all its facets a 1000 times harder than a glass house.

Dart,
thanks for the guidance. I feel sure you are right, I am missing something important.

I had a look at the references, and I’ll keep working at it.

thanks again

Fan of:
Stan Utley putting and short game
TGM hitting, as explained by Peter Croker / Paul Hart, Lynn Blake.
New ball flight rules
Zen golf
Rory McIlroy, I.K.Kim swings
Fast play, Stableford scoring, windy conditions

Devon,

I have been thinking why I gave such a poor answer.

I think it is because of the way we learn. A simple instruction will mean little the first time around. It will probably be repulsive to us because of our different take on it.

The more times we look at a lesson the more certainty we have.

I think I have relearned the little things 50 times. I don’t understand why humans are such slow learner after the age of 12.

I am now learning lessons I rejected 35 years ago.

The number of times I have said why did I not see that before, astounds me.

The wife and I built a glass house last week. Very bonding. There were 120 pieces and 205 nuts and bolts. We made 15 errors in reading and application. I don’t feel so bad about mistakes with golf. I judge golf in all its facets a 1000 times harder than a glass house.

Dart,
how we learn is a huge topic, IMO, and golf illustrates this so well, just like it illustrates other aspects of life.

I am working hard on Steering / Throwaway now, but IMO, all of this effort would have been wasted while I was OTT. IMO, with the benefit of hindsight, I needed to fix pivot foisted OTT BEFORE any of the Educated Hands stuff would make any sense.

As it happens, since you said I am missing something, I have been back through TGM and I think I have found a couple of things, and both ARE fundamental.

The first I found just putting at home, and that was sensing lag at pp3. This is detectable in putting, and I can feel it, but unless you already know what you are trying to feel, it might feel too subtle. I realised, from putting, that a FLW cannot be achieved unless you are sensing lag pressure. If you hit at pp3, you throwaway, if you go too far the other way and lose all lag, you might just be blocking.

So, lag was the first key missing element.

Then I had a chance, today, to go and hit some full wedges. I set off to try and feel lag pressure, and immediately realised that I was hitting WAY too hard WAY too soon.

This is only early, but the feeling I adopted was that although I was pushing like hell on pp1, as far as pp3 was concerned, the club was being dragged. I think that this is what people mean by Dragging the Wet Mop.

I played 9 holes with this and it really feels different. I feel pretty confident that this is a step forward.

Don’t worry at all about your answers. Yes, they do seem a bit “Mr Miyagi” at times, but I find that when I don’t understand, I just keep them in the back of my mind for a while and come back to them later, perhaps when I have made some progress in other areas.

I am going to get there, Dart, I feel pretty confident, and your help is pretty much the only thing that moves me forward when I get stuck, so many thanks, Sensei.

Have you given any thought to working on the other side of the ball, the target side? This is where the release occurs in an efficient swing. The wrist work happens on the target side of the ball.

Devon,
Regarding feel, everyone feels it differently.
However, here’s a tip from Hank Haney that does very well on hitting down.
Feel like you are dragging the big knuckles of your lead hand on the ground through impact and after.

Secondly, through the impact zone the hands should still be mid-body but the mid-body has moved. Notice and feel that. What does it feel like?
My own feel is that the right hip is going toward the ball and the hands are not running away. It’s a strong feeling.
You have to watch that it doesn’t block the right elbow, though, which shouldn’t be a problem if the address is with the hands high enough. i.e. the ball is far enough away. Video DTL would help.

Do those two things and you should get to both arms straight a couple of feet past the ball in Acquired Motion, Phase Two, section 12-5-2, right forearm no higher than parallel in the backswing.
The stroke should finish there at both arms straight with the clubhead still below the hands, shaft pointing at the plane line and the left wrist still flat.
Longer than that, execute the Finish Swivel, left forearm rolling and folding and look at the flat left wrist at the top of Finish.

Ig and OM,

thanks for the additional insights.

I have realised, thanks to Dart, that the whole Throwaway / Steering / Educated Hands area is a large and fundamental topic that I have only just started to get to grips with.

Right now, i am just trying to absorb the fundamentals of not over accelerating and feeling lag at pp3. Hopefully I can build that in in a month or 2 and get to impact with a FLW etc.

Logically, it makes sense that the finish swivel / hingeing and how all of this fits with the pivot will come back into focus after that. Once I get a sense that I have a new shot pattern based on not throwing away, then I will be ready to go with another step.

Thanks again

Ig and OM,

thanks for the additional insights.

I have realised, thanks to Dart, that the whole Throwaway / Steering / Educated Hands area is a large and fundamental topic that I have only just started to get to grips with.

Right now, i am just trying to absorb the fundamentals of not over accelerating and feeling lag at pp3. Hopefully I can build that in in a month or 2 and get to impact with a FLW etc.

Logically, it makes sense that the finish swivel / hingeing and how all of this fits with the pivot will come back into focus after that. Once I get a sense that I have a new shot pattern based on not throwing away, then I will be ready to go with another step.

Thanks again

Fan of:
Stan Utley putting and short game
TGM hitting, as explained by Peter Croker / Paul Hart, Lynn Blake.
New ball flight rules
Zen golf
Rory McIlroy, I.K.Kim swings
Fast play, Stableford scoring, windy conditions

Actu ally,how about starting a topic explaining educated hands,there is a wealth of information to be had in such a small part of the swing imo.I believe Homer spoke also on describing release and beyond.

Ig,

We work everywhere.

You are welcome to your opinion and feel but not the facts.

Release is through the ball as proved by every photograph of a golfer. The release can start anywhere from start down to line of sight to the ball.

Delaying release ‘till after the ball would result in a slicing air swing.

The wrists have to half release to reach the ball. The hands have to release soon enough to square up the clubface. And about the same with the arms.

99% of golfers will never get anywhere near an efficient swing. I guess they are about 25% with a chance of 50%. They would have to beat balls almost every day AND know what they were doing.

brownman,

There is no such article in the instruction area because we thought it was a bit technical and dry. If we break it down into small bits it could be useful and fun.
Watch this space.

Im all for it Dart.Thank you sir

Ig,

We work everywhere.

You are welcome to your opinion and feel but not the facts.

Release is through the ball as proved by every photograph of a golfer. The release can start anywhere from start down to line of sight to the ball.

Delaying release ‘till after the ball would result in a slicing air swing.

The wrists have to half release to reach the ball. The hands have to release soon enough to square up the clubface. And about the same with the arms.

99% of golfers will never get anywhere near an efficient swing. I guess they are about 25% with a chance of 50%. They would have to beat balls almost every day AND know what they were doing.

For tuition in Sydney call Paul Hart (TheDart) 0412 070 820.

Terry Hill’s, St. Michael’s or Duntryleague Golf Club Orange

Isn’t that the objective, an efficient swing. Efficient meaning the maximum of effect being achieved with the minimum effort. How successful have you been explaining this dart?

Please,Ig,give us your take on it,always interested in other peoples opinions,as paul said,your entitled to your opinion.

Please share,its a good topic for sure….cheers

This is my question of the TGM guys. As for the rest of Dart’s post, me thinks he is confusing the law of conservation of angular momentum with release post impact. The new ball flight laws even make mention of this.

Again…...........Please…..........give us a solid insight as to how you would describe the action on target side of the ball,please,you make assertions but never follow up with your evidence or theory to back it up with.We know what Paul Hart has done in his life in golf,what is your claim to fame,I hope its not those juniors at Wannie lol.

I am seriously asking a question here,Im not having a go at you,I am really interested….......cheers and thanks

Why don’t you answer for him, Brownie. I’m sure you have read every TGM post the Dart has made. Not being offensive, but you have interjected yourself.
Wanny has a super junior program, we have produced an Australian Junior Champion and an Australian Amatuer Champion. Yarnie was only kidding when he referred to me teaching the juniors. It is probably the other way around.