Who is that dashing fellow in the photos?

Good topic. Thanks Pauls…

A bit of feedback on the pics, Pic 7 the finish swivel, I think it would have been better to take the photo from the right a touch more so we could see the position of the left wrist, being flat even after release.

I think thats where a lot of people struggle and the wrist has broken down well before that point. But get to that point with a Flat left wrist and you can whatever you like after that, it doesnt matter.

Good feedback there Spence. That ‘look’ in ‘motion’ will help when it fires up.

this is as good a place as any to ask another, probably simplistic to most of you, question.

from the top, i am to draw a line from pp#3 directly to the ball and aim to drive the club through the ball in a downward and outward motion.

in the hogan book, the plane of glass shifts to the right and changes angles slightly as the downswing starts.

so, in the “down and out” motion, has the plane line on which i’m directing the thrust changed from the target line (assuming a straight flighted ball)?

more simply put, where is the “down and out” line if i were tracing, straight as with the baseboard of a room in a house, or not?

this is as good a place as any to ask another, probably simplistic to most of you, question

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from the top, i am to draw a line from pp#3 directly to the ball and aim to drive the club through the ball in a downward and outward motion.

In the hogan book, the plane of glass shifts to the right and changes angles slightly as the downswing starts.

so, in the “down and out” motion, has the plane line on which i’m directing the thrust changed from the target line (assuming a straight flighted ball)?

more simply put, where is the “down and out” line if i were tracing, straight as with the baseboard of a room in a house, or not?

PP3 is directed more at your “aiming point” then the ball itself, but is delivered in a straight line, and this then ensures that the club head sweetspot gets to the ball correctly – i.e without manipulation.

Check out your “aiming point” with various clubs by simulating impact position with each one and look, look. looking (a little Homerism) where your PP3 is in relation to the ball.

For shorter clubs it will be on the target side of the ball and somewhat inside the line of it. As you move up through the clubs these positions will change.

Its a matter, again, of trial and error (look, look, look!) to find out what fits your swing.

The Hogan move feels like it shifts to right field, but it does not look or work that way. It feels that way if we are shaft and body oriented, like an inside loop. If we are shaft to plane line oriented, it feels straight back and straight through.

Swingers are on line and only hitters are cross line except for the above illusion.

I have seen great results with the aiming point idea from aiming #3 or any point on the hands anywhere from 4 feet in front of the ball to 12 feet behind and 6 feet inside. Slow hand players like Fred Couples have told me they aim an inch or two in front with short clubs and the same inch or two behind with the long irons.

If it does not work today let it cook for a while and try it again later. It is too good a trick to waste as you get better.

as always, i appreciate the feedback. i wish i had the opportunity to stand with you guys on a range and pick at your brains while i have a club in hand. i’m sure progress would come at remarkably faster rate. however, thanks to iseek for the chance to work with all of you.

b

No questions for now. Just the kind of clear TGM definitions we were asking for. Thanks much.

Is there any correlation between the release types and swinging or hitting procedures?

Is there any correlation between the release types and swinging or hitting procedures?

I’m french, but I treat myself…

Phil,

Yes. They are very similar. The swing has a wider dispersal of variation because there is more movement and more plane angle variations.

The same release parameters apply, as early as possible, as late as possible, and some where in between and manual or automatic.

Not forgetting that for the novice the basic idea of release is paramount but for the expert the fine difference in type is the essential for excellence and almost a natural progression once the basic is achieved.

Thank you Very much . Same question but for the loading action. Wich one would you advise the novice to familiarize with, before trying the others?

Wrist cock loading can occur early, midway, late or in the downswing (sweep, random, snap, float loading). All of us have a more natural place that this will occur. It is a good idea to try each of them as they can all be mastered and they may have to be used at some point for a special shot (say in a restricted backswing near a tree etc).

Thank you Guru

Wow, “Simply put, Release is the application of the force that has been loaded and stored up in a golf swing”. No disrespect but a G.S.E.D. is making an erroneous statement like this?

The release is the period of clubhead acceleration and when it starts to overtake the hands. Impact is the application of force to the ball.

Impact is incidental to the process. It is where the power released collides ( is applied to ) with the ball. ie Release, then impact. two different moments in time and so you can talk about them independently. The application (in that context) of the forces loaded and stored in motion are part of the release, otherwise it would never release.

“Release is the application of force”.

Exactly what is the force being applied too? Maybe we should be trying to correct erroneous statements rather than justify them. The Golfing Machine has been tarnished enough with misinformation, why add to it?

DG: Fire up how you see release to make it an educational thread. I am sure Dart will drop into this one to clear any fog.

Be only too pleased to providing the sentences are grammatically fairly correct.

Fire away.

“Release is the application of force”.

Exactly what is the force being applied too? Maybe we should be trying to correct erroneous statements rather than justify them. The Golfing Machine has been tarnished enough with misinformation, why add to it?

David Laville G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor

It is mostly hurt by silly arguments among its fans. Count me out of that.

I would like to hear the full definition of release from David, obviously I don’t know what it is.

I am keen to learn, even after 27 years.