Guys i need some help with swing vs hitting, at the moment im caught between the 2.
I have a very dominant right side and that seems to overpower the swing and cause me to hook the ball, if i hit i can hit the ball long and hit push draws which generally allows me to keep the ball in play however getting the ball to start left of the target line is very difficult near impossible as my path is in to out…. i can fade it if i want too but i need to manipulate my swing and set up (ie) set my feet left and my shoulders square and i can fade, but still its usually straight flight with a slight fade but not left of the target (i use this mainly to hold off a left to right wind)

I would like to become a swinger and use more left arm but im struggling to hold off the right side, has anyone been through this and have any suggestions on how to develop the left arm/side of my game an any idea of the “feel” that a swinger should be sensing…...

Don’t fight it. Just use a setup that uses your natural swing to hit a straight ball. So, feet just not quite as left as your ‘fade’ setup.

But what would I know, I’m no pro.

Guys i need some help with swing vs hitting, at the moment im caught between the 2.
I have a very dominant right side and that seems to overpower the swing and cause me to hook the ball, if i hit i can hit the ball long and hit push draws which generally allows me to keep the ball in play however getting the ball to start left of the target line is very difficult near impossible as my path is in to out…. i can fade it if i want too but i need to manipulate my swing and set up (ie) set my feet left and my shoulders square and i can fade, but still its usually straight flight with a slight fade but not left of the target (i use this mainly to hold off a left to right wind)

I would like to become a swinger and use more left arm but im struggling to hold off the right side, has anyone been through this and have any suggestions on how to develop the left arm/side of my game an any idea of the “feel” that a swinger should be sensing……

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

Tango
Swinging is more letting centrifugal force rule the swing, while hitting is active participation of the right shoulder and elbow. That is what I understand anyway, I don’t think total hitting is possible.

Get a piece of rope and swing it,now try and hit with it,hitting is a pipe dream someone come up with.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Reads to me that you may not be using your feet and legs properly to make best use of the pivot. There needs to be the feeling that your left hip is pulling your left arm down with the right elbow close to the body and married to the left elbow. There is no conscious push with the right arm or shoulder, but a high left hip and left shoulder pulling the right arm and shoulder under and through.

Spot on razaar my wife just had me swinging a towel with a knot tied in the end and after a while I got it, also swinging the club forward then back with my eyes closed allowed me to feel the natural pivot and release….
Will practice left handed only for a bit and then try a range session tomorrow
Cheers

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Spot on razaar my wife just had me swinging a towel with a knot tied in the end and after a while I got it, also swinging the club forward then back with my eyes closed allowed me to feel the natural pivot and release….
Will practice left handed only for a bit and then try a range session tomorrow
Cheers

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

Tango,
Work on using both hands with the towel and release the towel with right hand. Swingers or hitters left arm swings right arm pushes only difference is swinger passively pushes their right arm, a hitter is more agressive. The swing sequence is the same for both.
Keep your hips horizontal and turn your shoulders perpendicular to your spine. If your left shoulder gets high on downswing, your spine kinks makes your arms drop to far inside and you get steep. The spine kinking will cause early acceleration, your arms then slow down too early and you flip your hands. This causes your hooks.

I disagree with this statement.

If your left shoulder gets high on downswing, your spine kinks makes your arms drop inside and you get steep.

This i agree with.

There is no conscious push with the right arm or shoulder, but a high left hip and left shoulder pulling the right arm and shoulder under and through.

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Anton,
Interesting point. However your example is for lineal acceleration (drag loading) which is defined as a swinging condition. Pushing is for radial acceleration (drive loading) which is a rather different condition.

Using your cart example or to use the more modern example, a trailer. Pushing a trailer that is unhitched will surely go anywhere. However, hitch it to a guiding motive and the situation is quite different.

Your point does illustrate why it is so important not to push too early on the down stroke. Never thought of it in that way.

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Anton,
Interesting point. However your example is for lineal acceleration (drag loading) which is defined as a swinging condition. Pushing is for radial acceleration (drive loading) which is a rather different condition.

Using your cart example or to use the more modern example, a trailer. Pushing a trailer that is unhitched will surely go anywhere. However, hitch it to a guiding motive and the situation is quite different.

Your point does illustrate why it is so important not to push too early on the down stroke. Never thought of it in that way.

Control is doing the shortest possible stroke to make the shot.

Jack
Ok lets assume your your correct.

Can you explane to me in which direction your going to push this club?
And at what time are you going to push it.?

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Anton,
Interesting point. However your example is for lineal acceleration (drag loading) which is defined as a swinging condition. Pushing is for radial acceleration (drive loading) which is a rather different condition.

Using your cart example or to use the more modern example, a trailer. Pushing a trailer that is unhitched will surely go anywhere. However, hitch it to a guiding motive and the situation is quite different.

Your point does illustrate why it is so important not to push too early on the down stroke. Never thought of it in that way.

Control is doing the shortest possible stroke to make the shot.

Release Jack?

What does your signiture say

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Anton,
Interesting point. However your example is for lineal acceleration (drag loading) which is defined as a swinging condition. Pushing is for radial acceleration (drive loading) which is a rather different condition.

Using your cart example or to use the more modern example, a trailer. Pushing a trailer that is unhitched will surely go anywhere. However, hitch it to a guiding motive and the situation is quite different.

Your point does illustrate why it is so important not to push too early on the down stroke. Never thought of it in that way.

Control is doing the shortest possible stroke to make the shot.

Jack
Ok lets assume your your correct.

Can you explane to me in which direction your going to push this club?
And at what time are you going to push it.?

In the same direction you are going to pull it.

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Anton,
Interesting point. However your example is for lineal acceleration (drag loading) which is defined as a swinging condition. Pushing is for radial acceleration (drive loading) which is a rather different condition.

Using your cart example or to use the more modern example, a trailer. Pushing a trailer that is unhitched will surely go anywhere. However, hitch it to a guiding motive and the situation is quite different.

Your point does illustrate why it is so important not to push too early on the down stroke. Never thought of it in that way.

Control is doing the shortest possible stroke to make the shot.

Jack
Ok lets assume your your correct.

Can you explane to me in which direction your going to push this club?
And at what time are you going to push it.?

In the same direction you are going to pull it.

Control is doing the shortest possible stroke to make the shot.

Tango
Do this little drill for your feel.
Go to the top of your swing and take your left hand off the grip,now try and push it,you will find that you are actually pulling it against the mass of the club head,you can only push in line with the centre of gravity to have any controll,thats why i dont believe that anyone actually is a hitter.

You can pull an object in line anyway you wish,but you can’t do that when you push it,unless its in line with the centre of gravity,otherwise it can veer anywhere.

Does the ox push on the harness or is he pulling the cart?

Anton,
Interesting point. However your example is for lineal acceleration (drag loading) which is defined as a swinging condition. Pushing is for radial acceleration (drive loading) which is a rather different condition.

Using your cart example or to use the more modern example, a trailer. Pushing a trailer that is unhitched will surely go anywhere. However, hitch it to a guiding motive and the situation is quite different.

Your point does illustrate why it is so important not to push too early on the down stroke. Never thought of it in that way.

Control is doing the shortest possible stroke to make the shot.

Release Jack?

What does your signiture say

Princess
I dont think jack needs help from someone who believes in fairy tales.
The simple giveth credence to everything, And the prudent attendeth to his step.

I deleted my post,I rem embered my promise to myself afetr the Fos thing and a better understanding of mental health issues.

Sorry,no name calling from me

ok guys thanks for the tips, took it to the range and initially it was an arm wrestle over which arm was in control, however i soon started to find the rythem when i relaxed and trusted it…

wedges were beautiful, straight and penetrating a little shorter than normal but very accurate, as i moved up the clubs 8 and 6 were also good with a few slight pushes about 5 yards right of the target but still hitting the green or fringe

when i moved to 4 iron and driver i noticed the push increase to about 15 yards right, would still hit the fairway but not how i want to play… perhaps im not releasing the club, however these were my spare set of clubs with much stiffer shafts and std lie than i am used to, i am very upright in my usual clubs with softer shafts – this may counter balance a bit??? not sure

Clearly my swing path is still too much in to out, when i deliberatley took the club outside the line on the backswing i could manage to get the ball starting left of the target and working back but this took real concentration in attaking the ball in what felt like a straight path rathe than an in to out path…. got the flight an trajectory i wanted but lost some distance

anyway lets see how it goes on Sat and Sunday when the money is up for grabs….

ok guys thanks for the tips, took it to the range and initially it was an arm wrestle over which arm was in control, however i soon started to find the rythem when i relaxed and trusted it…

wedges were beautiful, straight and penetrating a little shorter than normal but very accurate, as i moved up the clubs 8 and 6 were also good with a few slight pushes about 5 yards right of the target but still hitting the green or fringe

when i moved to 4 iron and driver i noticed the push increase to about 15 yards right, would still hit the fairway but not how i want to play… perhaps im not releasing the club, however these were my spare set of clubs with much stiffer shafts and std lie than i am used to, i am very upright in my usual clubs with softer shafts – this may counter balance a bit??? not sure

Clearly my swing path is still too much in to out, when i deliberatley took the club outside the line on the backswing i could manage to get the ball starting left of the target and working back but this took real concentration in attaking the ball in what felt like a straight path rathe than an in to out path…. got the flight an trajectory i wanted but lost some distance

anyway lets see how it goes on Sat and Sunday when the money is up for grabs….

Current HCP: 6
Best round: 71
Hole in ones: 4
Titliest woods
Henry Griffits irons
GEL putter

Anton,
EVERY person pushes with their right arm it’s called PNF 5. Basic biomechanics and human motion. Whether they push passively or agressively every person drives with their right arm. I have 25 years of 3D data to back this up testing hundreds of thousands of golfers.

With the right swing sequence when the upper body accelerates the arms lag behind and the left lat and shoulder muscles are stretched. There is so much load on these muscles the ONLY way they can shorten or contract is by pushing the right arm. You physically cannot fire the left arm or contract the muscles, the load and force is too great, I don’t care how strong someone is no one can.

The only time any one can push thier right arm too early, to cause throw away or flips, is because of poor swing sequencing. They have an arm swing first is the reason. (Poor swing sequence). If they have a three barrel swing, upper body arm and then club or even better again a 4 barrel swing lower body, upper body, arms and club they will NEVER throw it away or push the right arm too early. In actual face they can’t push their right arms early enough.

Please do us all a favour leave the instruction to the professionals, it is quite clear you have very little understand of the golf swing and how the human body moves during a golf swing. If you did have a good understanding you wouldn’t making ridiculous statements like you do.

Whats the hang up on “hitting or swinging”? I dont have a clue of the difference and dont care. All i care about is results.

Not shooting this at anyone in particular but some times we get caught up in stuff that isnt important IMO.

Just get a swing that produces good results, consistently.

Anton,
EVERY person pushes with their right arm it’s called PNF 5. Basic biomechanics and human motion. Whether they push passively or agressively every person drives with their right arm. I have 25 years of 3D data to back this up testing hundreds of thousands of golfers.

With the right swing sequence when the upper body accelerates the arms lag behind and the left lat and shoulder muscles are stretched. There is so much load on these muscles the ONLY way they can shorten or contract is by pushing the right arm. You physically cannot fire the left arm or contract the muscles, the load and force is too great, I don’t care how strong someone is no one can.

The only time any one can push thier right arm too early, to cause throw away or flips, is because of poor swing sequencing. They have an arm swing first is the reason. (Poor swing sequence). If they have a three barrel swing, upper body arm and then club or even better again a 4 barrel swing lower body, upper body, arms and club they will NEVER throw it away or push the right arm too early. In actual face they can’t push their right arms early enough.

Please do us all a favour leave the instruction to the professionals, it is quite clear you have very little understand of the golf swing and how the human body moves during a golf swing. If you did have a good understanding you wouldn’t making ridiculous statements like you do.

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This was the original post.
I would like to become a swinger and use more left arm but im struggling to hold off the right side, has anyone been through this and have any suggestions on how to develop the left arm/side of my game an any idea of the “feel” that a swinger should be sensing……

Just because my explanations and questions dont suit your data,thats not my problem.
Your an egomaniac

Your giving a lot of instruction.
Are you a PGA member?

I wont waste my time going around in circles with a know it all.

Whats the hang up on “hitting or swinging”? I dont have a clue of the difference and dont care. All i care about is results.

Not shooting this at anyone in particular but some times we get caught up in stuff that isnt important IMO.

Just get a swing that produces good results, consistently.

There’s many a slip ’tween a cup and a lip.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Totally agree with you Bernie,but some folks have always got to be right.

Egomania is an obsessive preoccupation with one’s self¹ and applies to someone who follows their own ungoverned impulses and is possessed by delusions of personal greatness and feels a lack of appreciation.[2] Someone suffering from this extreme egocentric focus is an egomaniac. The condition is psychologically normal.[1

Whats the hang up on “hitting or swinging”? I dont have a clue of the difference and dont care. All i care about is results.

Not shooting this at anyone in particular but some times we get caught up in stuff that isnt important IMO.

Just get a swing that produces good results, consistently.

There’s many a slip ’tween a cup and a lip.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Totally agree with you Bernie,but some folks have always got to be right.

Egomania is an obsessive preoccupation with one’s self¹ and applies to someone who follows their own ungoverned impulses and is possessed by delusions of personal greatness and feels a lack of appreciation.[2] Someone suffering from this extreme egocentric focus is an egomaniac. The condition is psychologically normal.[1

Calling the kettle black aren’t we.
Just because my explanations and questions dont suit your data,thats not my problem.
No it’s because you are clueless and don’t know jack about the golf swing like you make out you do and make up rubbish. One minute you bag TGM and next you act like your an expert in it.

Here’s your rediculous and clueless statement.
There is no conscious push with the right arm or shoulder, but a high left hip and left shoulder pulling the right arm and shoulder under and through.

The right shoulder can’t push the right arm does, the shoulder only rotates, or retracts. It can’t push.
Left hip and left shoulder don’t work in unison for starters. The left shoulders isn’t connected to the right arm lmao.

I simply corrected the inaccurate and incorrect information provided by you, sorry for hurting your ego.

Admin and Madam about time you did something about this bloke.

With the right swing sequence when the upper body accelerates the arms lag behind and the left lat and shoulder muscles are stretched. There is so much load on these muscles the ONLY way they can shorten or contract is by pushing the right arm. You physically cannot fire the left arm or contract the muscles, the load and force is too great, I don’t care how strong someone is no one can.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Zen you said this
You physically cannot fire the left arm or contract the muscles, the load and force is too great, I don’t care how strong someone is no one can.

I didnt say this,raazar did but i greed with him you fool

There is no conscious push with the right arm or shoulder, but a high left hip and left shoulder pulling the right arm and shoulder under and through

Whats the hang up on “hitting or swinging”? I dont have a clue of the difference and dont care. All i care about is results.

Not shooting this at anyone in particular but some times we get caught up in stuff that isnt important IMO.

Just get a swing that produces good results, consistently.

There’s many a slip ’tween a cup and a lip.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Totally agree with you Bernie,but some folks have always got to be right.

Egomania is an obsessive preoccupation with one’s self¹ and applies to someone who follows their own ungoverned impulses and is possessed by delusions of personal greatness and feels a lack of appreciation.[2] Someone suffering from this extreme egocentric focus is an egomaniac. The condition is psychologically normal.[1

Calling the kettle black aren’t we.
Just because my explanations and questions dont suit your data,thats not my problem.
No it’s because you are clueless and don’t know jack about the golf swing like you make out you do and make up rubbish. One minute you bag TGM and next you act like your an expert in it.

Here’s your rediculous and clueless statement.
There is no conscious push with the right arm or shoulder, but a high left hip and left shoulder pulling the right arm and shoulder under and through.

The right shoulder can’t push the right arm does, the shoulder only rotates, or retracts. It can’t push.
Left hip and left shoulder don’t work in unison for starters. The left shoulders isn’t connected to the right arm lmao.

I simply corrected the inaccurate and incorrect information provided by you, sorry for hurting your ego.

Admin and Madam about time you did something about this bloke.

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Zen
You are so rude,i was thinking about emailing you for an appointment to trial zenolink,no way now, what sort of a businessman are you?