Not a lot mate,In my swing I feel as if I have zero pressure and tension in my swing at all,I barely grip it,I too agree also that more than one swing is handy,As for different circumstances,we all have them,I use the Hitters pattern when needed,and swing when preffered,.

As I said earlier ….each to their own,as for Maggie,I dont believe I said anything incorrect,I do believe she can make up her own mind,I simply put her on Paul Harts path of Homer system of learning….basic pattern,she can progress in her own time with Paul Hart……......just didnt need the barbs,at least you and I seemed to have ironed our diffs……....Have we?.........cheers anton

Alls good mate,but i hate to tell you every one swings the club,their is no such thing as a hitter,thats homers terminoligy which in my opinion is rubbish.
thrusting the right arm at the ball as homer says is hitting method,sure you can do that,but you will lack distance,all the best pros in the world swing the club.
cheers anton

Im a big girl, i am able to read, try and decifer and make up my own mind and require as much divergent info to do that as poss. Tgm book is a good start. I already use diff grips and swings for diff lies and that wont change no matter what i read i think.

I just want to replicate my best drives so that quest still stands.

Thanks for all info bm as well as others, its very appreciated i have prev posted about diffinitive posts of zens which stifle argument, this is a perfect example of when something is challenged well, (without too many insults or too much ego!) And whether zen or others agree or not, it promps us to investigate further so i thank everyone. And for me pictures seriously help and tgm book does not do that well and sg made the effort.

I think translating all of this into drills would give me the feel im after but that might be too ambitious request!

Cheers :-)

xmaggiex
what are you after? what do you really want to know? its ok to say i want all the info and i decifer it for myself,surely you must know what you dont know, or need an explanation of what it is.
ASK THE QUESTION

my observation of this forum which i have monited over,12 months is the guys on here cant help but pat themselves on the back all day,and rarely give the members a real answer to their questions.

for example
i have a slice,im OTT,i pull hook
TGM solution you dont have a flat left wrist.
ZENOLINK solution you dont have a kinetic link.
and the biggest sham of all is see a TGM guy and he will send you to ZENOLINK for a screening.
You have to ask yourself why in the hell did you pay the pro in the first place if he sends you to someone else.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

One thing I think missed in all this debate is the need to maintain the lightest grip possible whilst maintaining control of the club.

Imo many amateurs “strangle” the club in the mistaken belief that creates control.

Sam Snead one of the sweetest timers of a ball summed it up thus -

“I try to feel oily.”

“When I swing at a golf ball right, my mind is blank and my body is loose as a goose.”

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

You are a @#$& genius!!! Thanks shanks, i thought about this before i played this morn and hit it out of the ball park, sraight, draw into strong wind, it all worked! Such simple thing with such awesome consistent results – im thrilled….cheers

Ps put my quest earlier in thread anton re my driving trajectory but seems i found the answer….for today! And you guys were busy discussing other more important stuff and missed it i guess…no worries

One thing I think missed in all this debate is the need to maintain the lightest grip possible whilst maintaining control of the club.

Imo many amateurs “strangle” the club in the mistaken belief that creates control.

Sam Snead one of the sweetest timers of a ball summed it up thus -

“I try to feel oily.”

“When I swing at a golf ball right, my mind is blank and my body is loose as a goose.”

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

You are a @#$& genius!!! Thanks shanks, i thought about this before i played this morn and hit it out of the ball park, sraight, draw into strong wind, it all worked! Such simple thing with such awesome consistent results – im thrilled….cheers

I am pleased it worked for you Maggie, hope it works in the long term as it has for me for 35+ years of golf.

Golf should be simple. You swing a club to hit a ball, it is that simple.

my observation of this forum which i have monited over,12 months is the guys on here cant help but pat themselves on the back all day,and rarely give the members a real answer to their questions.

for example
i have a slice,im OTT,i pull hook
TGM solution you dont have a flat left wrist.
ZENOLINK solution you dont have a kinetic link.
and the biggest sham of all is see a TGM guy and he will send you to ZENOLINK for a screening.
You have to ask yourself why in the hell did you pay the pro in the first place if he sends you to someone else.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Why do you pay you GP in the first place if he sends you to a specialist? Weak argument.

BTW what sort of explanation should the experts here provide for absolutely free? Should they come around to your place, video your swing, give you drills and monitor your improvement? For free? The examples you provided are legitimate responses to the question presented.

You say you’ve been reading here for years? Why have you bothered when the pros are such arrogant, pat-themselves-on-the-back, shammeisters? Can’t understand why you bothered.

Maggie

I will give you a little more in the simplicity stakes.

Don’t get caught up in the hitter vs swinger TGM terminology, hitters have the feeling they are hitting they are really swinging.

A light grip allows for a late hit (lag) as the wrists naturally uncock late just as they naturally hinge on the way back.

Gravity and the weight of the club head are your friend. With a light grip the transition from back to down is facilitated by gravity dropping the club down into the slot. You will become much more aware of the weight of the club and in particular the club head position with a light grip. A light grip means your arms and shoulders should feel oily.

Zenolink imo concentrates best on your relationship to the ground. (the base of the swing = feet/legs) ie you turn back and coil into a braced right side and then turn back into the ball without thinking about it when you can’t turn any further (it feels like you are springing off your right side)

my observation of this forum which i have monited over,12 months is the guys on here cant help but pat themselves on the back all day,and rarely give the members a real answer to their questions.

for example
i have a slice,im OTT,i pull hook
TGM solution you dont have a flat left wrist.
ZENOLINK solution you dont have a kinetic link.
and the biggest sham of all is see a TGM guy and he will send you to ZENOLINK for a screening.
You have to ask yourself why in the hell did you pay the pro in the first place if he sends you to someone else.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Why do you pay you GP in the first place if he sends you to a specialist? Weak argument.

BTW what sort of explanation should the experts here provide for absolutely free? Should they come around to your place, video your swing, give you drills and monitor your improvement? For free? The examples you provided are legitimate responses to the question presented.

You say you’ve been reading here for years? Why have you bothered when the pros are such arrogant, pat-themselves-on-the-back, shammeisters? Can’t understand why you bothered.

Started 2012 on unofficial 17, achieved 12 – 2013 target single figures
Inaugural Official Handicapper and Treasurer of the SEQ Golf Guys

weetixbix
mate theirs a big difference to see a specialist you have to go to get a referal from a doctor,i can go and see zenolink without seeing a pro who gets commision plus my lesson fee of $120 you work it out,by bypassing the pro i save $120 NOW YOU TELL ME WHO THE SHAMSTERS ARE

Maggie

I will give you a little more in the simplicity stakes.

Don’t get caught up in the hitter vs swinger TGM terminology, hitters have the feeling they are hitting they are really swinging.

A light grip allows for a late hit (lag) as the wrists naturally uncock late just as they naturally hinge on the way back.

Gravity and the weight of the club head are your friend. With a light grip the transition from back to down is facilitated by gravity dropping the club down into the slot. You will become much more aware of the weight of the club and in particular the club head position with a light grip. A light grip means your arms and shoulders should feel oily.

Zenolink imo concentrates best on your relationship to the ground. (the base of the swing = feet/legs) ie you turn back and coil into a braced right side and then turn back into the ball without thinking about it when you can’t turn any further (it feels like you are springing off your right side)

John Huggan on the passing of Seve – “Sadly for all who love golf as the art form it is meant to be and not the science it has become, we may never see his like again.”

SHANKS
CLAP CLAP TO YOU

my observation of this forum which i have monited over,12 months is the guys on here cant help but pat themselves on the back all day,and rarely give the members a real answer to their questions.

for example
i have a slice,im OTT,i pull hook
TGM solution you dont have a flat left wrist.
ZENOLINK solution you dont have a kinetic link.
and the biggest sham of all is see a TGM guy and he will send you to ZENOLINK for a screening.
You have to ask yourself why in the hell did you pay the pro in the first place if he sends you to someone else.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Why do you pay you GP in the first place if he sends you to a specialist? Weak argument.

BTW what sort of explanation should the experts here provide for absolutely free? Should they come around to your place, video your swing, give you drills and monitor your improvement? For free? The examples you provided are legitimate responses to the question presented.

You say you’ve been reading here for years? Why have you bothered when the pros are such arrogant, pat-themselves-on-the-back, shammeisters? Can’t understand why you bothered.

Started 2012 on unofficial 17, achieved 12 – 2013 target single figures
Inaugural Official Handicapper and Treasurer of the SEQ Golf Guys

weetixbix
mate theirs a big difference to see a specialist you have to go to get a referal from a doctor,i can go and see zenolink without seeing a pro who gets commision plus my lesson fee of $120 you work it out,by bypassing the pro i save $120 NOW YOU TELL ME WHO THE SHAMSTERS ARE

Zenolink trains your kinetic link. You still need to see a pro to learn to play golf. They are complimentary, it’s not usually one or the other.

Would agree that the pro shouldn’t add their fee on top of what they pay Zenolink. But if they are trained to help you to do the exercises then they are entitled to their fees when they are doing that.

my observation of this forum which i have monited over,12 months is the guys on here cant help but pat themselves on the back all day,and rarely give the members a real answer to their questions.

for example
i have a slice,im OTT,i pull hook
TGM solution you dont have a flat left wrist.
ZENOLINK solution you dont have a kinetic link.
and the biggest sham of all is see a TGM guy and he will send you to ZENOLINK for a screening.
You have to ask yourself why in the hell did you pay the pro in the first place if he sends you to someone else.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Why do you pay you GP in the first place if he sends you to a specialist? Weak argument.

BTW what sort of explanation should the experts here provide for absolutely free? Should they come around to your place, video your swing, give you drills and monitor your improvement? For free? The examples you provided are legitimate responses to the question presented.

You say you’ve been reading here for years? Why have you bothered when the pros are such arrogant, pat-themselves-on-the-back, shammeisters? Can’t understand why you bothered.

Started 2012 on unofficial 17, achieved 12 – 2013 target single figures
Inaugural Official Handicapper and Treasurer of the SEQ Golf Guys

weetixbix
mate theirs a big difference to see a specialist you have to go to get a referal from a doctor,i can go and see zenolink without seeing a pro who gets commision plus my lesson fee of $120 you work it out,by bypassing the pro i save $120 NOW YOU TELL ME WHO THE SHAMSTERS ARE

Zenolink trains your kinetic link. You still need to see a pro to learn to play golf. They are complimentary, it’s not usually one or the other.

Would agree that the pro shouldn’t add their fee on top of what they pay Zenolink. But if they are trained to help you to do the exercises then they are entitled to their fees when they are doing that.

Started 2012 on unofficial 17, achieved 12 – 2013 target single figures
Inaugural Official Handicapper and Treasurer of the SEQ Golf Guys

weetixbix
Can you tell me how hogan and jack and all the greats got on to be the greatest golfers that ever lived befor chriss welsh was born or heard of.
was it a fluke lol

Did they go and get their kinetic link trained by some guy.
I think not,the gullable are soon parted with their hard earned cash

weetixbix
how on earth did hogan and all the greats ever get on without the kinetic link training, i guess they just fluked it lol.
Lets look at this kinetic link, its a glorified word for using the correct sequence in a golf swing,if a golf pro cant teach you that then his not worth a pinch of shit,and if he sends you to some one to teach it to you,then give him the arse.

Maggie

A light grip allows for a late hit (lag) as the wrists naturally uncock late just as they naturally hinge on the way back.

Gravity and the weight of the club head are your friend. With a light grip the transition from back to down is facilitated by gravity dropping the club down into the slot. You will become much more aware of the weight of the club and in particular the club head position with a light grip.

Thanks again shanks. I grew up being told “late hands” (lag) was the aim and now im suddenly experiencing it via light hands – who wouldve thought?! Hope i maintain the feeling, the results were astounding…..cheers

Maggie

A light grip allows for a late hit (lag) as the wrists naturally uncock late just as they naturally hinge on the way back.

Gravity and the weight of the club head are your friend. With a light grip the transition from back to down is facilitated by gravity dropping the club down into the slot. You will become much more aware of the weight of the club and in particular the club head position with a light grip.

Thanks again shanks. I grew up being told “late hands” (lag) was the aim and now im suddenly experiencing it via light hands – who wouldve thought?! Hope i maintain the feeling, the results were astounding…..cheers

And also by doing that if i might add to shanks tip you will shallow the attack at the ball goodluck maggie:)xoxo

Gee anton, you got me! Holy cow! It must be useless crap if it wasn’t available for Hogan and Nicklaus.

Or maybe it is just new technology that can help people? You know, technology? You may have heard people say that these new fangled titanium drivers make it possible for people who aren’t Greg Norman to drive the ball 300 yards +!

But wait a minute – it mustn’t be true that Titanium drivers are better because Greg Norman could hit it 300+ yards!

Honestly, do you think that just because people could play golf before Chris Welch’s research developed the PST exercises to help improve people’s kinetic link that it means that the research is worthless? People could walk before Newton documented his finding about gravity but that doesn’t mean his research was worthless.

Cyclists, runners, baseball players, lacrosse players – they are all sports who are using Zenolink. At professional levels. And because you have hung around here like a ghost in the machine for over 12 months you have figured out that it’s all a load of rubbish? You’re a veritable Einstein.

Do you know where researchers (and Chris Welch is only one of many in this field) got their information that there actually is a kinetic link? From observing and measuring top level athletes! So it turns out that these athletes usually already have a good kinetic link. So it is entirely possible that part of the reason that Hogan and Nicklaus were so good is that they already had a reasonable kinetic link? Possible?

I am not currently paying for Zenolink. I get no money or other benefit from it. I researched it myself for myself and did it for a while – it helped me to play golf without pain. Is it the answer to everyone’s golf problems? I don’t think so. And anyone who does a little but of research will discover that Zen says that you still need golf training along with zenolink – so he isn’t saying it is every answer to every problem. Obviously it is his field of expertise so – surprise surprise – when he answers someone’s questions here he does it referring to the field. Expecting him to do otherwise is foolishness. It’s why he’s here.

So to answer your question – they did it just like every human being throughout history has done everything that was done in any field or activity that ever existed before a scientist came along and delved into it in more detail and found new and hopefully better ways to learn it.

So to answer your question – they did it just like every human being throughout history has done everything that was done in any field or activity that ever existed before a scientist came along and delved into it in more detail and found new and hopefully better ways to learn it.

i will go along with that:)

anton1,

I think you protest too much. Get back on your practice routines, you sound like you are almost there.

Sam Snead was the greatest golfer of all time according to some and good players playing well do make it look simple – but they have long periods of playing crap. You reckon they don’t spend hours flogging though the fundamentals – and I get bagged for trying to help the normal guy. One more piece of information might make all the difference. It could make his life, not just golf. That happens enough for me to keep going.

Simplicity is OK but ignorance and arrogance is a different matter. Most trouble comes from misinformation or lack of information. If you knew how to do it – you would.

Blokes who bag coaches – how are they going raising their kids, spouse relations and work competence? I would say they were bleating about how crap their kids, wife and boss are. Am I right or am I wrong?

We are all responsible for our own success or failure. This time of year is stressful for some so make allowances.

Maggie

A light grip allows for a late hit (lag) as the wrists naturally uncock late just as they naturally hinge on the way back.

Gravity and the weight of the club head are your friend. With a light grip the transition from back to down is facilitated by gravity dropping the club down into the slot. You will become much more aware of the weight of the club and in particular the club head position with a light grip.

Thanks again shanks. I grew up being told “late hands” (lag) was the aim and now im suddenly experiencing it via light hands – who wouldve thought?! Hope i maintain the feeling, the results were astounding…..cheers

And also by doing that if i might add to shanks tip you will shallow the attack at the ball goodluck maggie:)xoxo

Yes! I kept them low bullets today in the gale and im sure they were timed well because they stayed straight and extremely long. That was my quest (pg4?) In the thread and now youve answered it. Cheers

There’s no bigger skeptic out there than me. I’ve tried every tip I’ve ever heard just to see what it does. I was pretty skeptical about Zenolink, until I had a session with Zen. And what I found out is it’s pretty darn good stuff.

Zenolink is one discipline among many. Zen wrote a good evaluation of my program, G P S. It’s another discipline. We have a mutual respect because we have tried each other’s program and we found they are effective.

TGM is another discipline, and it works. Dart has a great working knowledge of it. It’s very valuable and effective.

It’s like what we say in America—voting here is optional, and so if you don’t vote then you don’t get to complain. If you vote, you get to debate. You shouldn’t knock it if you haven’t tried it…

Just finished reading all the posts, I haven’t responded much as I’ve spent my time on the practice tee trying to emulate the pro’s ball flight. Alot of info to take in…

I spent 2 days trying to de-loft the club/ come in shallow/ball back ect for very little effect. My blow still felt very ‘glancing’ no matter how shallow or lean I tried to implement.

I figured there must be another aspect I’m missing. So I decided to not worry about shaft lean or attack angle but solely focus on accelerating the club head through the ball whilst picking a hole in the sky 10 feet off the ground 50m in front of me.

Wouldn’t you know it, Bam!my ball flight is almost exactly like I saw at coolumn a few weeks ago( albeit directionally challenged:).the ball rocketed off the face each and every time, unlike the occasional one with my previous intent.

So the key for me was reach maximum acceleration about 1 foot past the ball.

This might seem a rather obvious intent for a lot of you, but for me it was game changing. No more people wondering how I got to 4hc while hitting approaches like a 20 marker..lol

While we are on spelling… Armature??

Has been some good stuff in this thread. Lots to think about and try out. Shame for the in fighting, makes it hard to be bothered really. But sometimes you need to sift through the shit to find the diamonds.

Raz, I liked your reference to “club head path is king” (or some such) for the pros, interesting thoughts.

My Condolences Stink,found out yesterday…......

Maggie…..page 6 post 20…........grip pressure.

Im the same here re fighting although I seemed that I got suckered into it,but Im out of here for a while….........

Trying some stuff re lower flight,........couple of boomers,but a lota crap mixed in as well….........but I wont give up…hope to catch up at carl lewis…..cheers

Cheers Brownie, hope Carl works out, see you there if so.

Hit em low and long! :)