Got a bit bored chipping so I thought I would finish off by chipping with 1 hand.
left hand 20 balls then right hand 20 balls,I had an absolute ball,what really came to the fore was keeping club on a plane of motion,when the clubshaft came off plane the shot would be poor but when club stayed on plane all was good…..right hand (rightie) was easy,had to do a bit of concentrating with left,but once I got it right it was also easy…...

One thing for sure ,it makes you keep hands ahead….......lol cheers

That must be a new feeling for you TGM advocates;)

What do you mean by that razaar?

That must be a new feeling for you TGM advocates;)

The man who hits at the ball rather than through it has no sense of rhythm.
Secrets of the Master – The Best of Bobby Jones

Im gathering your comment was complimentary…..thanks

Brownman,

Nice going on finding more precision by training one hand at a time. Thanks for passing it on. It is Zens favorite drill.

It is also fun to do it left hands with each hand and the club upside down. This reminds you of the basics.

The reason kids are good is that they are not strong enough to force the club off plane.

There is always something left to improve unless you know it all.

In TGM the plane of motion is the boss and almost everything makes it unachievable for the average player. And anyone can learn..if you know how.

What do you mean by that razaar?

Every comment I have read on this forum from TGM people about the backswing focuses on the right arm. Your post was the very first (I have read from a TGM’er) focusing on the left arm. Yes I was being complimentary.

Yes ,I see where your coming from,all good.
Bad news is Im a very much right arm player,its just my preference,the other side of the coin is that I do realise we were given 2 arms,I would be a fool not to examine every option we have….

I have never knocked any one else,s teachings,but for me the TGM suits my very inquistive mind…..its not a different golf swing,or technique….........its just a book of the golf swing

Its not for every one ,but its for me….cheers friend

In the interest of balance the left arm is the master accumulator and releaser of energy.

There are dozens of things we TGMers don’t mention.

Trying to get a few things across should initiate interest in those who might want to look further.

My interest was sparked when I heard a TGMer speak and mention five things I had not heard of in twenty years of looking at every word I could find on golf.

The trouble is that the common line is passed on without investigation.

Even yesterday a new pupil said “Ah, I lifted my head”.

He could have said “Poor preparation of pivot balance, pace and rhythm. I could not store the energy long enough”.

Yes ,I see where your coming from,all good.
Bad news is Im a very much right arm player,its just my preference,the other side of the coin is that I do realise we were given 2 arms,I would be a fool not to examine every option we have….

I have never knocked any one else,s teachings,but for me the TGM suits my very inquistive mind…..its not a different golf swing,or technique……......its just a book of the golf swing

Its not for every one ,but its for me….cheers friend

Brownie, best advice I can give you about the golf swing is to persevere with left side control and let the right arm be a guide, support and brace (but never in control). Learn to do functions in everyday life with the left hand, writing is an example. It will also work the right side of your brain making your game more creative and less technical.

With left arm control you will be able to advance the right forearm on the right elbow in the backswing creating arm torque and more power, something not possible with right arm control. The list of advantages is long.

Brownman,
For building skills, I like people to learn to use each hand individually. Anyone can chip with both hands. Learn to use your left hand you better understand club face control. Using the right hand you learn power control and timing to release your lag. I practice 4 balls left handed, 4 balls right handed and 8 balls with two hands.
The lights go on for people the difference between quitting or steering and what a flat left wrist is.
Tiger before he plays he always spends 10 minutes chipping with his left hand.

Thank you Razaar,for me ,I dont really feel left or right ARM orientated insomuch as I do concentrate on the pressure points on both sides .

For swinging I am very much aware of pp# 4,Im sure you know it,I monitor its use frequently combined with pivot ,so yes its important for sure,also as the swing progresses,I also unconsiously am using right side PPs ….for ME I do really feel the need to rely more on the unfolding of the right elbow for for my “checkpoint” .

We all most prolly have different checkpoints or FEEL in our swings,each to their own ,all the TGMers do differently is “nothing”,we are simply made aware of the different componants in a golfswing that we can work on monitor them one at a time 2 at a time whatever.,they are just catagorised for ease of identification and use.

I know you not a believer in the hitters pattern,thats fine,but I am a firm believer ,to use that,one must use their r/side,but also keeping the left arm in the swing as checkpoint using extensor action, but again I dont think right arm or left arm,but I do use the different chekpoints on both sides.

Another of my “quirks” is never to think of hands in my swing,but the PPs in the hands,if that makes sense.

cheers EDIT….I should also add that I do all this from the ground up

Stark contrast

ISG….....plane of motion….........veiws….219
posts….10

LBG…...plane of motion….........veiws…..3,440
posts….159….........and still going

I reckon we must have it down pat….........just saying

Stark contrast

ISG……..plane of motion……......veiws….219
posts….10

LBG……plane of motion……......veiws…..3,440
posts….159……......and still going

I reckon we must have it down pat……......just saying

Good golfer are hitters … just saying

TGM majority of the top 100 coaches have read the book and studied TGM that’s a fact. Sean Foley, Mac O’Grady, S&T adopted their teaching principles from TGM. Majority of the top 100 have integrated the TGM into their coaching.

Brownman there is a world coaching group and there was a poll done. They said who do we thank for helping teaching principles today. Homer Kelly was nominated in the top 3.

Stark contrast

ISG……..plane of motion………...veiws….219
posts….10

LBG……plane of motion………...veiws…..3,440
posts….159………...and still going

I reckon we must have it down pat………...just saying

Good golfer are hitters … just saying

TGM majority of the top 100 coaches have read the book and studied TGM that’s a fact. Sean Foley, Mac O’Grady, S&T adopted their teaching principles from TGM. Majority of the top 100 have integrated the TGM into their coaching.

Brownman there is a world coaching group and there was a poll done. They said who do we thank for helping teaching principles today. Homer Kelly was nominated in the top 3.

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TGM not being grass roots after 42 years disappoints me on golf teaching intelligence.

Grass roots – it has hardly penetrated the top 10%. Even those don’t give it much credit, they just re brand it. It is key that new thinkers have the full story to think with – not what “they” think is important.

I will have to lower my expectations or lengthen the time line on enlightenment.

TGM not being grass roots after 42 years disappoints me on golf teaching intelligence.

Grass roots – it has hardly penetrated the top 10%. Even those don’t give it much credit, they just re brand it. It is key that new thinkers have the full story to think with – not what “they” think is important.

I will have to lower my expectations or lengthen the time line on enlightenment.

We are so far behind so many….........BUT….we are so much younger

TGM not being grass roots after 42 years disappoints me on golf teaching intelligence.

Grass roots – it has hardly penetrated the top 10%. Even those don’t give it much credit, they just re brand it. It is key that new thinkers have the full story to think with – not what “they” think is important.

I will have to lower my expectations or lengthen the time line on enlightenment.

For tuition in Sydney call Paul Hart (TheDart) 0412 070 820.

Terry Hill’s, St. Michael’s or Duntryleague Golf Club Orange

An official iseekgolf.com teaching panelist.

Maybe because it had its origin in a home garage with two beginners to the game. It is a strange story, one even stranger to believe. Like it wasn’t as if there wasn’t any important instructional material published, 60 years beforehand. There was and one would have to be retarded to assume that HK didn’t have access to it. He did. Maybe he wrote his little book in code to confuse the issue. That he did also. Like I said it is a strange tale.

Apart from me, are all you guys pro’s on this thread?

Is this thread for pro-pro debate, Brownman, or were you looking for some response to your original post from amateurs?

Feel free to bin this post if the answers are: yes, yes and no.

To save time, if the answer is yes to the 3rd question, the comment I was interested in posting was as follows.

At my old club, the pro is a fantastic ball striker, he has played in Open Qualifiers quite regularly and has qualified on a couple of occasions to play in the UK PGA. When he practices, one of the things he does is hit full wedges left handed only. It is a sight to see, I can tell you.

Brownman’s original post made me think of this.

But I am not sure what Brownman meant when he talked about Plane of Motion in his chipping practice.

I am up for some one handed practice sessions, but would welcome some more tips on how to make this productive or tips on what to feel or look for.

Thanks

Devon,if you have got some 10-15min to spare and some 20-30yds to spare,give this a try. Only you will understand the advantages of this drill, They will appear in the form of understanding of the different feels and reasons of certain componants Homer gave descriptive names to ie….lag….swivel…compression..accumulators,the latter being only small in this drill but its great when they are isolated and felt individually.

1 A word of advice,do this by youself

People will always think you are showing off,do this drill simply to understand a few things you are learning on your journey.It will be interesting to compare what WE have both learnt …down the track.

TGM not being grass roots after 42 years disappoints me on golf teaching intelligence.

Grass roots – it has hardly penetrated the top 10%. Even those don’t give it much credit, they just re brand it. It is key that new thinkers have the full story to think with – not what “they” think is important.

I will have to lower my expectations or lengthen the time line on enlightenment.

For tuition in Sydney call Paul Hart (TheDart) 0412 070 820.

Terry Hill’s, St. Michael’s or Duntryleague Golf Club Orange

An official iseekgolf.com teaching panelist.

Maybe because it had its origin in a home garage with two beginners to the game. It is a strange story, one even stranger to believe. Like it wasn’t as if there wasn’t any important instructional material published, 60 years beforehand. There was and one would have to be retarded to assume that HK didn’t have access to it. He did. Maybe he wrote his little book in code to confuse the issue. That he did also. Like I said it is a strange tale.

The man who hits at the ball rather than through it has no sense of rhythm.
Secrets of the Master – The Best of Bobby Jones

Razaar…........please feel free to take up the subject of Homer Kelly
with Paul somewhere else,not my thread….thank you….in fact I will start one for you now

No need to start another thread for me, have no interest in TGM. Only replied to Darts musings about why. Carry on.

Devon,if you have got some 10-15min to spare and some 20-30yds to spare,give this a try. Only you will understand the advantages of this drill, They will appear in the form of understanding of the different feels and reasons of certain componants Homer gave descriptive names to ie….lag….swivel…compression..accumulators,the latter being only small in this drill but its great when they are isolated and felt individually.

1 A word of advice,do this by youself

People will always think you are showing off,do this drill simply to understand a few things you are learning on your journey.It will be interesting to compare what WE have both learnt …down the track.

Best done around a chipping green so you have a target to shoot at. Adds that extra bit of discipline to the drill. I do it at the local public course, no one cares. Everyone is focused on doing their own thing.

TGM not being grass roots after 42 years disappoints me on golf teaching intelligence.

Grass roots – it has hardly penetrated the top 10%. Even those don’t give it much credit, they just re brand it. It is key that new thinkers have the full story to think with – not what “they” think is important.

I will have to lower my expectations or lengthen the time line on enlightenment.

For tuition in Sydney call Paul Hart (TheDart) 0412 070 820.

Terry Hill’s, St. Michael’s or Duntryleague Golf Club Orange

An official iseekgolf.com teaching panelist.

Maybe because it had its origin in a home garage with two beginners to the game. It is a strange story, one even stranger to believe. Like it wasn’t as if there wasn’t any important instructional material published, 60 years beforehand. There was and one would have to be retarded to assume that HK didn’t have access to it. He did. Maybe he wrote his little book in code to confuse the issue. That he did also. Like I said it is a strange tale.

The man who hits at the ball rather than through it has no sense of rhythm.
Secrets of the Master – The Best of Bobby Jones

Razzar,
So why piss on some thing you clearly don’t understand. Why not try and learn about it and understand it instead.
I see many ideas I don’t agree with before I make that decision I learn about it first. I also go further and test their methods. I would be an imbecile not to learn about it , you never know that information could change my life or other peoples.

If you have a close mind you are dead, you can learn anything. In the past I have been an imbecile for having a closed mind. Which we all do when we are young.

My advice Razzar is to take the time out to learn about TGM, you have a genius like Dart who is a doctrine in TGM, he spent over 25 years studying TGM. You can ask questions and learn from him.

Hitting and swinging I’ll answer in one simply sentence. Swingers passively push there right arm into impact, hitters drive their right arm into impact.

Hitters uses ball position to shape the ball the Swinging changes there alignments and bends their plane.

They use the same coordination patterns and swing sequence the kinetic link.

Zen,

Have you opened your own mind yet to the possibility that Jim Flick may have passed away?

You preaching on a closed mind is a little hard to read.

Love always

Tackle