Brilliant.

Brilliant.

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Loren,
Thanks. That says a lot coming from you.

I agree entirely paul

People say I’m mad why am I fiddling with my swing when I’m off scratch

But I never feel a full release through the hitting area like you say and that’s what I want, it is a steer and a hang back and a dont go left but dont block it swing…every round I find a new move to get me round

I shot 5 under recently and changed my swing 3 times during the round!

Not happy is correct will do what you say and I’ll be seeing you soon for that screening..

thanks alot.

lessons,books,youtube,read some more,good instructors,read even more,worked on it,studied it,practised it,tweaked it,listened to people who know, and ..made it to scratch last week….an enjoyable road..

gs77,

Nothing wrong with changing you swing 3 or even 9 times a round. No two swing are exactly the same your entire life.

It is clever to be able to feather a drive softly into play or bomb a low rolling flying hook for 60 yds more run.

It is clever to punch cut a five iron to a back right pin position or hit a soft high draw to a front left.

It is clever to swing away freely when you are feeling good and hit short stiff punch shots when it is windy or you are crapping yourself because you just realised you are four in front in a important tournament.

But these are variations on a two correct themes not compensation for mechanical errors.

I would not want someone to think that they had to swing the same way all the time because you can feel very different from shot to shot, especially in match play.

Great stuff guys, learning every visit to Darts thread :)

when I say changed my swing i’m changing it to not hit it fat/thin/block/hook…for mechanical errors

even off scratch that’s how I feel..obviously aiming it left side if trouble on right short if trouble long..etc etc

would love to punch cut one into a back right pin but just hitting stock standard 2 metre draws into the middle in case I screw up..

I know im nowhere near where I want to be but for some reason I never shoot over 75

love moving the ball for the shot required like you say as you can really get a picture of what your trying to do and makes the game much more fun but mechanically im happy to knock it somewhere near the fairway somewhere near/on the green and hole the chip or putt…

with your help,hopefully i’ll get there one day..

It is only on some days you have the choice. 3/4 of the year you play with what you can find.

Those 25 rounds / year are to die for. Even the punch cut round are good because I putt like god those days.

On my best swinging rounds I am lucky to break 70. because I am so pleased with things I dope off on the putter.

Do I care – not much.

Heh Paul,

What are your thoughts on kinetic linking and forearm rotation? Do you feel optimal forearm rotation will occur automatically with optimal linking?

Steb,

Yes. By definition the linkage is not optimal without rotation.

Miss or over run one link and the others have to be forced.

The exact rate of rotation is different from hitters to swingers.

I have not seen a really good kinetic link yet but I have seen them all improve a lot.

In getting slightly better I have seen a better understanding of golf swings. I have people who laugh privately at +2 markers with shabby links.

I have also seen a big improvement in golf swings. Improvement I could not get any other way. Largely because the drills don’t involve the conscious mind but engage primitive hitting instincts that have been with us for 100,000 years.

How you been doing Steb?

Great stuff guys, learning every visit to Darts thread :)

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Thanks Dart :)

The exact rate of rotation is different from hitters to swingers

From my recollection you could play equally as well hitting or swinging and would go with whatever was working on the day. Do you see much difference in your sequencing, as evidenced on your graphs, between hitting and swinging?

How you been doing Steb?

Overwhelmed with work so have hardly played golf at all in the last year. But still frequent various golf forums for therapy. Some mates are trying to get me along on a golf orgy out to Duntry League et al in a couple of weeks. You still out there?

gs77,

Nothing wrong with changing you swing 3 or even 9 times a round. No two swing are exactly the same your entire life.

It is clever to be able to feather a drive softly into play or bomb a low rolling flying hook for 60 yds more run.

It is clever to punch cut a five iron to a back right pin position or hit a soft high draw to a front left.

It is clever to swing away freely when you are feeling good and hit short stiff punch shots when it is windy or you are crapping yourself because you just realised you are four in front in a important tournament.

But these are variations on a two correct themes not compensation for mechanical errors.

I would not want someone to think that they had to swing the same way all the time because you can feel very different from shot to shot, especially in match play.

For tuition in Sydney call Paul Hart (TheDart) 0412 070 820.

Terry Hill’s, St. Michael’s or Duntryleague Golf Club Orange

An official iseekgolf.com teaching panelist.

Brilliant! Thanks Dart, I will also steal this advice for my personal memory bank around the course. :)

The exact rate of rotation is different from hitters to swingers

From my recollection you could play equally as well hitting or swinging and would go with whatever was working on the day. Do you see much difference in your sequencing, as evidenced on your graphs, between hitting and swinging?

How you been doing Steb?

Overwhelmed with work so have hardly played golf at all in the last year. But still frequent various golf forums for therapy. Some mates are trying to get me along on a golf orgy out to Duntry League et al in a couple of weeks. You still out there?

 

Steb,

Not for golf but Zeno has the data on base ball batters who show the same difference for hitting and swinging.

Yes mate. Still hanging around Duntry. See you then.

gs77,

Nothing wrong with changing you swing 3 or even 9 times a round. No two swing are exactly the same your entire life.

It is clever to be able to feather a drive softly into play or bomb a low rolling flying hook for 60 yds more run.

It is clever to punch cut a five iron to a back right pin position or hit a soft high draw to a front left.

It is clever to swing away freely when you are feeling good and hit short stiff punch shots when it is windy or you are crapping yourself because you just realised you are four in front in a important tournament.

But these are variations on a two correct themes not compensation for mechanical errors.

I would not want someone to think that they had to swing the same way all the time because you can feel very different from shot to shot, especially in match play.

For tuition in Sydney call Paul Hart (TheDart) 0412 070 820.

Terry Hill’s, St. Michael’s or Duntryleague Golf Club Orange

An official iseekgolf.com teaching panelist.

Brilliant! Thanks Dart, I will also steal this advice for my personal memory bank around the course. :)

It is quite possible that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

God forgives people, that’s not my job….

AB,

Half the fun is designing your golf for the day, the course and the moods that strike you during the round.

Dart, could you explain the concept of aiming point as it applies to TGM. At what point on the target line should PP#3 be directed? Initially I began with the ball. However I have been experimenting with directing at low point (4 inches in front). From my reading it seems that the aiming point changes from club to club. If this is correct, how should I just my aiming point moving from wedge to driver?

Delta,

Aiming point concept is a most wonderful thing. It can be of enormous value.

It is to adjust the timing of the release of wrists followed by the hands.

Your point has to be found by trial and error. It can change from club to club because the differing lengths of the shafts means it takes longer for the driver to come into line with the left arm than a short iron. So people who don’t know slice their longer clubs and pull the short clubs.

The point can be anywhere on the plane line. Driver can be 20 feet back and Wedge 5 feet forward. That would be with fast hands. With slow hands that could be a matter of inches.

Freddy Couples has slow hand speed but high rotation rate and most have faster hands but slower rotational rates.

All that matters is that you master the uncocking of the wrists and the roll of the hands – any way you can. The wrists partially control the swing direction and the hands control the clubface direction.

Any fault must be analysed from this standpoint of mystery sets in.

Thanks Dart gotcha. Uncock, roll and experiment to find the aiming point.

Gday Dart…
What are your thoughts…
Finally got to test my new iron last night. Titleist AP1 710 with the Nippon Stiff 105T shaft. They felt great and I was getting good distance… but….
I seem to be fading the ball quite heavily with these clubs, especially with the stronger irons 4 and 5. I cant say its a full on slice but probably a 15 – 20 metre fade by the time it lands…! I usually play straight, apart from miss hits which I usually hook!.
Would this have to do with the new shaft? I think it has a fair bit more flex than my old shaft, I dont know the brand of my old ones but it was definatly heavier and stiffer!
Perhaps the shaft isnt straightening out by the time I hit the ball?
Iam not sure.. Any ideas????

Sounds right. Get a club fitting on grass when you buy clubs.

Shafts too weak hit it high right. See if you can sell them to a 65 year old weakling like me and buy a real set.

They catch up too fast and flip left so the ball goes high right.

The lie angle could be flat as well.

If you have the right fit it takes out a large part of your inquiry.

You can then look for the real reason you are not having the most fun possible.

Hi Paul,
What were your initial impressions of yesterday’s session? I was surprised at how well I was making contact with the 7 iron. It felt a lot better off the face than it has for a little while. My driver did not feel as solid as usual, but the two swings I chose were the best of what I had on offer yesterday.

Hi Paul,
What were your initial impressions of yesterday’s session? I was surprised at how well I was making contact with the 7 iron. It felt a lot better off the face than it has for a little while. My driver did not feel as solid as usual, but the two swings I chose were the best of what I had on offer yesterday.

I’m a golf tragic

Sorry Phil. I was out of town and forgot my own password.

Your swing seems to be almost unmissable. The whole system looks tight and reliable.

I know you know it can improve and I think the trouble is in the foot work.

The great thing is that the graphs will show us for sure and certain where the trouble is.

Hang tight.

Small things like tempo a little quick and rhythm too plain; hanging back and holding the club-face open slightly; lightness and carefulness through release scream at me. All this gives the impression of a competent man but lacking the supreme confidence of a really good performer.

very articulate:) I struggle getting my head in the right place where all that care and lightness is abandoned for frustration, anger and unreleased energy which results in mayhem – well maybe not totally but usually a 25 pts. I see you’ve addressed this before but I really hope you might have more to say that will take me out of the game and into the moment..

Golf4,

It is hard to be magic without me seeing your eyes. If I start shooting ideas at you I have to see the lights turn on or I keep talking forever.

My single best tip for improving golf swings unseen is – hit down.

The theory being most people hit forward which is steering or making straight lines towards the target. That kills the release. The only place you can make a straight line is with the hands is on the downswing. This should cause a circular release and a more confident move.

thanks and that’s very valuable but the real question is how to keep the chatter in my head down to a dull roar or silent would be better I’m tipping so I can look for the lightness and care that’s so hit a cord for me?

thanks and that’s very valuable but the real question is how to keep the chatter in my head down to a dull roar or silent would be better I’m tipping so I can look for the lightness and care that’s so hit a cord for me?

Golf4,

You have to know about Clear Key Golf. I thought everyone did.

It is the simplest and most complete method for getting out of your own way; better than Inner Golf and Extraordinary Golf.

The thing is that you use this operation when you clean your teeth, drive your car and put your mascara on.

When it comes to golf we think ourselves into stupidity.

Check it out. It does not cost much for what you get.