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Nice post Dart, Have a think about it and ask yourself has any one been ever able to show you exactly what your muscles are doing in your swing, The actual rate in they stretch and shorten in speed out put?
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Forming a kinetic link may well be the answer to all our golf swing problems, it may not. Not to be disrespectful, I for one will be getting my biomechanics advice from someone with both formal qualifications and experience. Physics and anatomy are both too complex to learn quickly by themselves, let alone how they combine, unless one is truly a genius. Mechanisms of injury add even more complex layer. Passion is great, but is hollow when talking about real science. Are there any links to journals or other scientific publications that would help to shed some more scientific light on Zenolink/biomechanics for those members of this forum with an interest in the science/testing methodology used in developing your sytems. I really believe a more even handed, concilatory approach would be of benefit to you Zenst, often I think you are doing your business/cause more harm than good by the way you communicate with people on this forum. I also think The Dart could benefit from doing some research into ‘Pots’, ‘Kettles’ and ‘Black’
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So any way in 92, When they were researching at biomotion they used 3 types of technology to research human motion. They used a Vicon software with skin tight type leotards and reflective markers and cameras from every angle. They used EMG where they hook you up to measure muscles groups in each body segment. To Be continued.
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Shanks,
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Hi Fellow Readers, Before and after doing ZenoLink
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very nice zen,i like his pivot as u say he has a lot to go but its a start to keep him playing good on ya
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Zen Thanks heaps, recognized my faults instantly, putter stopping virtually at ball and hips moving slightly open through impact, thus pulling putts. My mistake it would appear has been to always only think about keeping my head still with no regard to the lower body. Let me guess the pro must have been POM. Thanks once again for the effort you have made, it will help and will probably help plenty of others. Keep up the great work. Cheers Shanks
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Zen, thanks very much for that video. Excellent stuff. And timely for me with the chipping! I hope people appreciate this sort of intensive – and free – advice. This is really valuable stuff.
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Thanks Foster,
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Your welcome Shanks, glad the info helped you :) If it feels uncomfortable we just have to get out of our comfort zone and keep working at equal acceleration until it becomes comfortable .
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OK having read further and I have coached others sports I understand what you’re saying (kind of) I have often said you can improve your golf thru non golf drills…. in fact I have seen guys improve in 1 month without hitting a a ball… yes I believe the sub conscious mind is very powerful too when learnt
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Dave, Tennis, golf and baseball all use different techniques to play each sport, although how their body coordinates movement and speed etc is the same sequence and coordination patterns. If some one learns to create the same repetitive movement over and over without having to think about it, how easy is it to learn the technique. If they can’t create the same repetitive movement what hope have they improving or applying good technique. This is why we called ourselves ZenoLink, Zeno challenged the mathematics world he was prove wrong. But how we look it, and how this relates to us is, what we are doing with ZenoLink is changing traditional training concepts and beliefs. Of course people are going to be resilient to our concepts it goes against or what they know and have learnt, they will attack it, bag it or what ever, they feel we are challenging them.
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On Sunday I’ll be testing a amputee who plays golf, hope fully with permission this person will allow us to chat about her data. I can really relate to them in a lot ways, I know what it is like to have physical limitation. I spent time in a wheel chair, know how it feels not being able to walk. Then having to face you may never walk again was frighten, the fear is hard to put into words. You see people who went to Vietnam or any war and facing fear of death everyday. Among other things the mental damage people can’t begin to understand. Top it off some loose limbs etc. What inspires me with them, is how positive they are. They have no self pity and make the best of their life they can. They don’t play the victim which I respect and admire. What gave me strength to survive my accident. The words I never forget is he said boy Life is as good as you make, you can pick and choose what life you live, you can make it hard or easy it’s up to you. To be honest my father was hard as nails on me but at the same time generous loving and caring man, with the biggest heart of gold. We can learn off these amazing people who have seen some tough times in life and be truly inspired from them.
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Out of Interest how has had an injury in golf? What type of injury did you have?
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Here is some pretty cool information for every one to read. We have access to Sports Medicine Research. This article is about Acute Effects of Static and Dynamic Stretching on Hip Dynamic Range of Motion During Instep Kicking in Professional Soccer Players. The range of motion available at a joint is crucial to athletic performance. There are many methods of stretching, but the two most popular types are static (stretching the muscle to its end range and holding for a duration) and dynamic (stretching during a sports-specific motion). Stretching has been demonstrated to increase joint range of motion when measured statically but very few studies have evaluated the influence of stretching on range of motion during functional sport tasks. Amiri-Khorasani and colleagues assessed the influence of static and dynamic stretching on dynamic range of motion (DROM) of the hip during instep kicking among 18 professional Iran Première league soccer players with no past medical history of lower extremity injury. Each participant performed 3 different warm-up protocols (static, dynamic, and no stretching) on 3 nonconsecutive days, at least 72 hours after either competition or hard physical training. Participants were divided into 3 groups which performed the stretches in different orders (for example one group performed static stretching on day 1 while another group performed dynamic stretching on day 1). Each day’s warm-up consisted of jogging (4 minutes), stretching (which varied each day), rest (2 minutes), and 5 soccer instep kicks. Stretches were performed bilaterally on multiple muscle groups (e.g., gastrocnemius, hamstrings, hip flexors). During instep kicking, participants were given a starting point to limit frontal plane movement, and asked to kick a ball 11 m towards a 2 X 2 m target. Reflective markers and motion analysis cameras measured hip DROM during the kick. The authors found significant differences in DROM during the forward phase of kicking, the follow-through phase, as well as during whole phases in the dynamic stretching group compared to the static stretching group. No differences between stretches were found during the backswing phase. In brief, dynamic stretching increased DROM relative to no stretching and more so than static stretches. This study presents a very interesting case for the implementation of dynamic stretching in warm-ups. Implementing dynamic stretches into warm-up also makes sense since it can be sport specific. The study was also interesting because it assessed the benefits of dynamic stretching during sport specific tasks. Hopefully, more studies will pursue this model to evaluate the influence of dynamic stretching on performance. While current literature demonstrates the benefits of dynamic stretching, clinical implementation of dynamic stretching protocols, will be much more challenging. Not only will clinicians be required to educate their patients but proper education of coaches will also be critical. Do you deal with this in your practice? Have you attempted to implement any dynamic stretching into your athlete’s warm up? How have your athlete’s responded? Have you seen a decrease in injuries? Furthermore, what strategies did you use, or tried, to educate others such as coaches to the benefits of dynamic stretching? Written by: Kyle Harris Reviewed by: Jeffrey Driban In golf findings were similar I’ll elaborate more shortly.
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I have had 2 injuries I can think of. The primary one was serious soreness in the hips and lower back. The other has been left elbow soreness and tenderness.
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Zen, I lived my life in long drive being hurt – overtraining, over exertion and sub par mechanics… Apart from having shit shoulders from baseball that constantly got sore, the worst golf related injuries I have had have been in left wrist and left elbow. You know me though mate, “Pain is only weakness leaving the body!” lol… Sometimes you got to play and compete less than 100%. I don’t recommend it, but at the competitive level sometimes you got to suck it up and get the job done. Since going back to a good golf swing and working on my movement patterns, the worst thing I have had to date is a blister ;) Even after hitting 100+ drives at last weeks corporate day, I wasn’t fatigued and I wasn’t even sore in the days following. That speaks volumes mate. Normally I book in for an hour massage 1-2 days post a corporate appearance.
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Weeties, The lower back issues were a result of two contributing factors. All this above also contributes to your elbow soreness. Because the upper body has excessive right lateral bending, this kinks the spine and stops rotation of the upper body. The arms fly off the body early, then you use superficial arm speeds to stop mechanical break downs at impact. What we did weeties is improved your lower body mechanics and reduce your sliding, improved your rotation around the axis of the spine and taught you how to decelerate your arms so the club takes the blow at impact. We began to work on training you how to coordinate better patterns, not only to improve your ball striking but also to reduce your injuries. We haven’t continued training with you to get into the fun stuff yet:)
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Blister is pretty serious Ab the worse injury you could ever encounter we better resolve this :)
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No worries Zen, the biggest difference? The amount of physical effort required in my golf swing… When I was long driving I actually felt I was trying to swing hard and fast. The effort factor was at 110%. My golf swing actually exhausted me. Currently my golf swing feels effortless, I use the sequence, the ground and the leverage in the swing to accelerate the clubhead. The effort factor is down to 60-70% and I know it sounds weird but I feel energised swinging the club. I am never tired on the course anymore from the first swing to the last. It was hard to trust that from the initial outset being in the sport I was in, my initial resistance was “how can I create maximum power from not giving it my all?” The other big difference I noticed was changing the length of my driver (which you and Chris had suggested more than once). I definitely acknowledge now that when something is too dynamically heavy (as most current length drivers are) I had no choice but to apply superficial speed – whether it was spinning the hips and shoulders too hard, whether it was sliding too much or whether it was wailing away with my arms (as you know I had all of these going on at once at times). However with a dynamically optimal driver set up, my body no longer breaks down and tries to add a superficial effort component. It creates sequential speed rather than a forced speed. Given the difference in driver length and loft now, I actually feel that I am consistently longer (and in play) off the tee. The scary thing is that I know if I needed it, I could pull another 20-30 metres out on demand by adding some hand/arm drive. But playing golf now, I don’t need this very much and so for the most part I can concentrate on just allowing my body to create its own speed and focus on hitting the ball solidly. I am also in no doubt as these movement patterns get stronger, I will get longer with less effort again. The bracing (super stiffening) is the biggest key I know which gives me tremendous impact acceleration.
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This video I said I would post from the other thread Trying to make it on US Tour. Clark finished 30th at the ’09 NCAA Division 1 national golf championship, qualified for the U.S. Open and just missed reaching the final stage of PGA Tour Q-School. Swing Biomechanics and Training Stage1
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Awesome stuff Zen, really interesting and good info. I think the major point I certainly take out of it is this…. If the downswing takes less than half a second and all the segments fire in sequential order (which would make their seperation fractions of a second) there is NO WAY we could ever consciously learn or control this motion. The only way to truly change this is through skill training drills and through functional strength and conditioning exercises. We must train it, not learn it. And through our training we must then have the confidence and trust to give up total control and allow our trained learning to function for us. Great stuff Zen, thanks for sharing.
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AB, Golf swing mechanics are important although only part of the full story if you want to play on the US tour. You need guys like yourself and biomechanics, mental coaches. The list goes on anything that gives these guys an edge they go for it. It’ a survival of the fittest out there now and really always has been. The days of drinking beers and relying on talent alone have gone. If people think they are going to play the US tour, don’t work out, keep fit, do biomechanics etc they are kidding themselves. They are going to get left behind and have any empty bank account. The boys at the top work hard, do fitness, biomechanics etc to stay on top. They need any edge they can get to be competitive each week.
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I had my first ever hole in 1 on Sunday at National Golf Club, hit the perfect 6 iron, the ball faded in nicely and covered the flag all the way. The I heard to click when the ball hit the pin.
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