Step by Step with Peter Croker
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love the videos. I am doing 2 things at once, I have started from the beginning and also jumped ahead to try to understand hand action, because that is an area that I have been baffled by forever.
I have been talking about what I have been learning along the way in my own thread, and I had a question that made me want to ask you one.
I have your ebook, The Hit, and I have TGM and have been studying TGM for a while including using your TGM videos with The Dart.
To me, The Hit is closely related to Hitting. I hope that is correct. I made a lot of progress with my game from the Hit, particularly the idea of not chasing the left shoulder.
Now, my question is: is Step by Step a version of Hitting, a version of Swinging, or something that would be better described as your own pattern, not really TGM Hitting or Swinging?
This came up in the context of hand action. In the Hit and TGM hitting, you don’t turn and roll the hands, you just use angled hingeing.
The hand action explanation from Step by Step, which I really like, seems to me to be turning and rolling, which, in TGM, is a pattern element that HK associates with Swinging.
I am not asking because I like these sematic swing theory debates, I want to make sure I am not stepping into a big misunderstanding that will set me back.
My original mission and reason for buying Step by Step, was to try to understand how I could get acc 2 into a Hitting action, something that seemed impossible to me (without turning and rolling) yet which TGM (and Dart) assures me is possible. The Hit explains the hand action but I felt that I needed more explanation.
I love the hand action explanations in Step by Step, but am I about to make a mistake if I use your Step by Step hand action thinking that I am still Hitting?
Sorry if you hate such discussionss, I am very happy with Step by Step, and am looking forward to going through the whole set of lessons, but this question has come up early on in the process, so I thought now would be the best time to clarify this.
Thanks for your in depth questions here.
I do not want to get into any debate as to what are the benefits of swinging as opposed to Hitting or the opposing view as defined in TGM.
Please do not try to think of the Croker Golf System as a “Hitting or a Swinging Procedure”
It is my belief that when you have “Educated Hands’ then the best way to “Hit” the golf ball is with a “Swing and a Hit” action.
I know when you do this, you will discover the benefits of using both centrifugal force and muscular effort in combination.
Please take the journey through the “steps” and keep your discoveries coming.
I advise you to take some coaching with a CGS Instructor to remove any misunderstood words or concepts. This will unlock many realizations on how to build that “best swing” you are looking for.
Also please use “The Laws of Accuracy” when training to transfer the improving “mechanics” into a repeatable “feel” for distance and direction.
I look forward to your next questions as you take your next steps on “The Path to Better Golf.”
Merry Christmas to you too.
Dear Devongolfer and All Iseekgolf Forum Members and Guests,
May 2013 be a great year on and off the golf courses of the world for you all.
Please help me move this Thread along as we need to look to build that one best swing for you and we are only at Step 5.
Surely there must be some students of the game out there that have a plan that they are employing that moves beyond Step 5?
I would like to share the Concepts of our new “Key to Golf Program”
Chris Beckett and I are attending the PGA Show in Orlando January 23 to 26 and while there will be launching the new and complete Key to Golf Program and delivering The KEY to GOLF BREAKTHROUGH 2 DAY SCHOOL
Happy New Year,
Happy New Year to you as well.
I am still not following through your steps in sequence, call it bloody mindedness if you like, but I am happy to credit your material with pretty much all of the significant improvements I have made recently.
The keys for me, in the order that I got them from your material, have been:
1: don’t chase the left shoulder: this really improved my sequencing and took out a lot of pulling action with the pivot
The final thing, and I credit some reading up on Zenolink partly for this as well, is to really sense my feet. I am using your bracing of the knees idea (one of your 5 Pushes). Sensing the ground forces with the feet really helps with balance and helps with HCP.
I played twice this week, and yesterday, in particular, was one of my best ever ball striking rounds.
This pattern is giving me some speed from the pivot, but the timing and sequence is coming from the hands, and there is power coming from the right forearm and from a release because I am not OTT.
This is starting to feel like a pretty complete swing pattern to me. I dare say it would be classified as just a two barrel (1,3) action with some pivot speed as well, but if the results continue I will be tempted to stick with this, rather than try for anything more advanced, because this is such a simple method and I am getting loads of accuracy and a bit more distance.
I think I can add yet more distance with physical conditioning and Zenolink getting the sequencing even better, so am tempted not to worry about 3rd or 4th barrel ideas.
Happy NY 2013! I haven’t seen you in a few months and posted here in a while. That’s because I’ve been enjoying the summer playing the most golf I have ever played in a year. I found a group that plays every Friday at Malvern Valley and have been joining them for a round of 9 holes just after work.
Golf is such a demanding game with lots of hours to play not including the practice (and I’m just a casual golfer). Having said that I have plenty to improve, but my horrendous scores have slightly gotten better. I started pretty much as a beginner with you and before doing my series of lessons I would average 72 for 9 holes. Just over a year later my scores have dropped to an average of 55 for 9 holes.
I know I cannot master everything in a year’s time but I hope to post here again next year with a much improved score (hopefully score under 100 for 18 holes).
I couldn’t have improved without your help and I know I’m definitely on the right path.
I’ll definitely book a lesson again this year!
Simple is the answer and what you are finding is that applying the CGS Concepts and Mechanics are helping you gain results and when you replace other data with more workable data, the results move towards greater simplicity.
That is the end product of applying the Croker Golf System tech.
“Over the Top” is able to be removed and greater power and control come to the fore.
I am sure you will visit more of the CGS Steps as other swing problems arise and I am sure you will find similar results come forward.
Thanks for your interest and dedication to make a study of our Program. It is always a pleasure to assist a student of the game.
Happy Times in 2013 and beyond.
Thanks for your post here and i know time is hard to find with all that happens in our world.
I sure hope you return to do another series of Group Lessons. It is always a strong session when you are there and ask those challenging questions.
It is great you have found a group to play with on a regular basis. I think there is nothing better than to lose your self with friends in a game of golf.
Maybe come down to Eagle Ridge Golf Course – my new teaching base on the Mornington Peninsula ( I spend 3 days each week teaching up in Melbourne and 3 days at Eagle Ridge – fantastic course and we can get special green fee rates for all who have lessons with me there.
See you soon!
Happy New Year,
There’s two parts to my question, the first part is the ‘Yard Stick Drill’ you gave me in one of my lessons which has 12 components of the full swing. Are the positions in that drill the same when the swing is moving in real time?
Second part is how does the components of the drill fit in with this thread since you’ve identified Step 4 as Chip Stance and Step 5 Chip Pivot?
Thanks for your questions here. The Yardstick Drill is not presented here as we have not arrived at the “Full Swing” in the steps to date. The Drill is a good one but not delivered at this point in the building of “Your Own Best Swing.”
Please do the drills that are associated with Steps 4 and 5 and this will build a better understanding of these steps. Adding extra drills at this point is an over load for those who want to build certainty in their techincal abilities up to this point.
My suggestion to all is to re-visit all the steps up till now and then post what they now understand and then post their thoughts on what step should be taken next.
Eagleridge golf course is beautiful, well maintained and very challenging. Definitely worth the drive especially with the new Peninsula link open cut back my driving time heaps. As you said I didn’t have to pay Full Price and paid Members Guest rate being your student ($36 instead of $60 full price or internet price $54).
I enjoyed my game, played well with my irons, struggled with my driver and ended up using my 4iron which worked well in the end because the fairways are very narrow. The sandtraps are beyond my skill set, as I will need to work on getting it out of the high sandtraps and hitting it long if it’s in the middle of the the fairway.
My realizations from your Sunday School is broken down into two parts, Mental and Skills part.
Mental- Recording 1, lessons is a process not a quick fix, Recording 2- (had me spinning) my desired outcome is to keep calm and feel my relaxed breathing from my stomach rather than upper area. This will come about when I realize that the change will come from within rather than externally, play for the “now” rather than thinking of what happened in the past or fear of the failing in the future. It compliments the start of the pre-shot routine you taught me, which I usually skip.
Skills- Takeaway from the forward press is started by my hip turning which turns my shoulders which activates my hands having that ‘throwing’ feeling with the club. Allow the momentum to freely hinge my hands all the way to the backswing and through swing without steering. I’m impressed with the instant feedback I got with my pitch shot so I retained the feeling , and that became my practice swings throughout my game on Sunday.
Thanks for your feedback following your “Sunday School” lesson at Eagle Ridge.
The image that the full swing is just a long “pitch shot” and building better swing mechanics while practicing the pitch shot can make for better transition to the golf course.
Some more drilling in the “takeaway” will be good for you so that you can think less and feel more the swing.
Look forward to your next visit to Eagle Ridge.
PS: Sign-up for your Free 7 Lesson Mini Series on www.keytogolf.com and you will gain some ideas on bunker play and more
Dear Moonmag and All On The Path,
It seems that we have bogged down with “What Step to Take Next?”
May I share the first 5 Steps of The Croker Golf System Step by Step Program again here.
There are many ways to arrive at your own best “Full Swing” so let us share our thoughts on “How YOU are going to get there?”
I will also share right here a way to disconnect to a mind that is over full with technical directions and move to a “Happy Place” out of your mind.
Tim Kremer is booked to come to Australia in May to deliver “HOW TO STOP THINKING and START PLAYING YOUR BEST GOLF “OUT OF YOUR MIND”?
Perhaps one of the most frustrating challenges that face us out on the golf course after a lesson is all the “thinking about technique” while standing over the golf ball.
I have had it said that lessons can be “too technical” and you do not need to know all this “stuff.” Well the fact is “Simplicity by omission does not make something simple, only incomplete and ineffective.” The key trick here is to be able to use drills to build a comfortable feel for the motion you want to achieve and then be able to let go of thinking and “Enjoy the Hit!”
Students cannot take all this “great stuff” from the lesson tee to the golf course and have it work like it does on the Practice Fairway. There is a missing step that we need to know and apply!
That “key step” is “how and when to breathe” and to replace “thinking” and engage “breathing, and feeling.”
Just like adding an improved “swing mechanic”, the following steps need to be drilled in and then put on “automatic.”
ADDING THE BREATH TO THE GOLF SWING
1. Start directly behind the ball with the ball between you and your intended target – both feet flat and heavy on the ground.
2. Take 2 deliberate “deep belly breaths” and become aware of the feeling of a relaxed and balanced body and a calmer state of mind. This is when you select an intermediate target within a few metres of the ball to assist as a reference point on the target line as you move to the side of the ball.
4. Next take a slow “deep belly breath” as you take your grip and balance on the right foot as pictured
6. While in the “Address Position” breathe deep and feel your balance and how calm and relaxed you are.
Enjoy putting a fresh breath of air into your golf swing and game. I am sure you will find this a “mind altering” experience.
To All Iseekgolf Forum Members and Visitors,
Happy Easter and may you and your family and friends share many good times on and off the golf course.
Thought this might be of interest for those who are interested in the difference between a “Method” and a “System” and why we call our Program “Croker Golf System.”
When you Google “Golf Systems” it is difficult to find Golf Instruction Program listed that covers the mechanics of the golf swing from putt through to drive and define under the umbrella of “System.”
PUSH is the driving force in The Croker Golf System and the we explains thoroughly HOW, WHERE, and WHEN to apply this force that has its origin in the PRESSURE POINTS in the Hands.
. Your journey starts with your next step.
Defining the difference between “System” and “Method.”
Dear Iseekgolf Forum Members and Guests,
It would be great if some of those who read this Post could put in writing their thoughts as they come through on what is being offered here.
Your opinion is of great value to all!
What steps are you taking to become the best golfer you can be in the time to spend playing this great game?
To keep the Thread moving forward while all decide what would be their next step to deliver improvement to their golf swing and game, I would like to offer a view on a great way to gain improved technique and mental confidence.
Many golfers have asked me what do they need to do to improve in the fastest way?After testing the following: 1. Individual Lessons 2. Group Lessons (greater than 4 students in a class)
3. Group Lessons (2 to 4 per class)
4. Workshops – 4 hrs (6 or more in a class per Instructor)
5. Workshops – 4 hrs (3 to 5 per class)
6. 3 Day VIP Schools (3 to 6 in a class)
I have found that the most effective way is to have a student attend a longer time in a concentrated learning situation.
From a practical approach most students will gain the best and quickest results if they attend a 4 hour Workshop.
For the serious golfer who is looking to improve in the shortest time possible, the 4 Hour CGS Workshop is the way to go!
Also you can SEND IN YOUR SWING for an INTERNET LESSON ANALYSIS and QUICK FIX Suggestions:
Peter Croker and the CGS Team
My primary issues are mental; in maintaining focus in the face of slow play from the group in front or from high handicappers in the group I am in… and in maintaining mental motivation to play my best all the time – effectively caring about what I am going… This would affect consistency of performance and result…. perhaps one part is affecting the other… and I feel that the only real remedy to that would face-to-face discussion/lesson with a pro/coach…. It is still a financial issue for me to see a coach/pro.
Will you be playing at the Pat on Friday in the pro-am?
Too much slow play means that golf has a wait problem
Thanks for your interesting question here.
Certainly it can be difficult to concentrate for an entire round of golf especially when you are playing with less competent golfers and those who are there for a chat and walk and resigned to the fact that their golf is beyond help.
However this is just another challenge of the game and one that can be overcome with a higher level of competence on your part.
If you wish to be able to concentrate effectively for your entire round, please look to improving your “Address routine.”
Thanks Peter… sometimes I feel it can become a situation of ‘Monkey see Monkey do’ where you are watching high handicapped playing partners just walk up to their ball and hit… and after a while you start doing it too…. I have to learn to take that breath and refocus again and again…
I hope we can catch up for a good chat
Too much slow play means that golf has a wait problem
To fully answer your question about the number of post I have clocked up – I have had a golf journal – Mekat’s Golf Trek http://forums.iseekgolf.com...
as an example, here is the back nine and summary from last Friday’s stableford round.
Friday, Stableford, Short (altered) course.
Handicap blows out .5 to 8
Too much slow play means that golf has a wait problem