. St
Micks is a great track and miles, literally miles ahead of Long
Reef (which shouldn't even be on this list I agree).
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Just another one - this time from Golf Australia.
20 years ago this would have meant nothing because there were
barely any significant public access courses.
1 Barnbougle Dunes
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mac, who was on the panel?
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Of those I've played I'd say St Micks and Long Reef too high, St Micks especially so, Ranfurlie too low, and there has got to be room in there for a Murray River course surely (Murray Downs the best of the river courses I've played)
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marcel, rocks in your head I also agree some Murray tracks should be there - Yarra Murray is one, and I hear good things about Murray Downs. Narooma can't have missed by much too. Have played less than half the tracks on that list but other than Long Reef I agree with the ratings of those I know.
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Henry As far as I can tell - Nigel Wall and Brendan James
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i am a member at indooroopilly and would rate it better than northlakes. but i might be bias
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peanuts,
I'm not sure which I'd place higher of St Micks or Long
Reef (if I had a mind to). St Micks just doesn't 'rock my
world', greater potential of the two sites however.
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Murray Downs is truckloads better than Kingston Links. It's a pretty impressive top 10 though. We are very lucky to have such a spread of great tracks to play. Is Moonah Links a public course?? thought that would make the top 25
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Looks like the Vintage has taken a similar role to that occupied by Royal Sydney in the Top 25 lists for many years – the token (and unwarranted) NSW presence in the Top 10. Of all 25 courses listed it’s the one that seems to be way out of place – in this case miles too high. Spooky, Good call re Moonah Links Open and Legends.
JJ
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Moonah Links is clearly Public Access.
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Actually where are Laguna Quays, Hope Island, Coolum, Twin
Waters, the Vines and a number of others? Hmmmmmmmmmm JJ
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Actually I think they were all in last months issue (including
Moohan Links) where they listed the top 25 resort courses. Seems
a bit silly to have the seperate lists..
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JJ, whilst in agreement with you that Vintage is a questionable entry, I think your call about NSW courses in general is inaccurate - NSW Golf Club is a deserved Top 5 entry in any list.
I think spooky's made a good call - perhaps this excludes
"Resort" courses - although the definition needs to be
questioned in some cases...
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peanuts, if it excludes "resort" courses, then why are Lakelands, Club Pelican, Paradise Palms etc. on the list. NSW is a top 5 in Australia. Apart from that, the only one which deserves to come close is Newcastle.
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Fair enough on the resort courses call henry - a puzzling list indeed given all that. I disagree with your call on NSW though; Ellerston, The Lakes and Terrey Hills are worthy of consideration for Top 10 spots. Not that I can compare easily given my paucity of Melbourne sand belt experience.
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"I disagree with your call on NSW though; Ellerston, The Lakes and Terrey Hills are worthy of consideration for Top 10 spots."
Peanuts
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Is Indooroppilly public access? Every time I have been there they make a big deal about being "signed" in by a member.
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Peanuts, Sorry my apologies re NSW, it is most certainly Top 5. I haven't played Terry Hills so I can't comment but the Lakes was not Top 10, in my opinion, before Thommo "fixed" the bunkers last year and definitely isn't now. As Henry said, only NSW and Newcastle are Top 10 material from the land of cockroaches. As this list is public access courses then there was only the Vintage to slip in.
My original comment was aimed more at the way the Top 10 for
years was "balanced" between states by including the
likes of Royal Sydney (or Albert Park North as it is lovingly
referred to at times). The Vintage is the least of the Norman
courses I've played and is routed thru the worst pieces of
some very average land. Nice clubhouse tho... JJ
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I was picking up a point about overall top 10 courses dean, not public access. And let's just say there's some inside knowledge on Ellerston and leave it at that.
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JJ As an unbiased fence-sitter in terms of state allegiance, I rate the Lakes highly; Terrey Hills is a fine course too, in the same class.
Totally agree with your perspective on Royal Sydney - I walked it
during an Aussie Open back in about 93 or 94 and to this day the
fact I haven't played it makes me strangely satisfied...
And yes, we've gone off thread a little but I was responding to your interstate challenge...
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I'm confused by what is public access. I thought Indooroopilly and the Lakes were very much Private. How are they in this discussion? I know you can walk on most private courses, pay full tote odds and get a game, so what defines public access? Liz
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What a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid list. Even more stupid than the top 100. Not only are these lists ridiculous, but this one especially. What the hell is a Pulic Access course. Some of these courses have members & some do not. The resort courses have their own list, but some of these courses are resort courses. Public access! Even though I live in Sydney, I can still get on to The Australian without knowing a member, so long as I am willing to pay $320. (Yes, I know - who'd want to). And don't try to contradict me, I know it for a fact.
To cover all bases we should have more lists. - All these lists should be split up into private, public, resort, city, country, grass faced bunkered courses, courses with more than 50% of the membership being retired doctors, seaside, sandbelt, inland, dune slack, couch grass, rye grass, no grass, 6 or more par 3's, courses whose names start with 'the', Mackenzie courses, courses Mackenzie advised on, courses Mackenzie only made it to the car park, courses that blatantly lie about Mackenzie even knowing they exist, courses that were designed totally from a topography map without the designer ever setting foot in Australia, as well as the top 10 courses where Peter Thomson used the same damn design from his previous 9 courses. I know I have probably missed out a few lists that would help us all make a more educated choice next time we are looking for a game of golf. Please forgive me. Andrew
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Andrew, Well done. I think you have provided the material for a whole new thread. Lists of Useless Lists. JJ
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The obvious and painful reality is that somebody will have to actually buy the magazine (or sneak a long look in the newso's) to see what their definition of Public Access includes this year. This is a list they include every second year, and the same puzzled questions get asked each time. In reality, while Andrew may be able to afford $320 for his game at The Australian (and I know his occupation, so I don't know how he does it), most cannot, and wouldn't have the networking contacts to negotiate the access. Similarly, there are times you can get on NSW by paying the green fee, so by a broad definition it may be included, but clearly wasn't. To be honest, who cares? It's a list of golf courses, and therefore is fun to argue over. I only wish I'd played any of them this year so I could argue from a position of strength rather than ignorance.
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Bought the magazine today. There criteria is that "the course must offer tee times to the public on most days. Therefore you will notice there is a mix of member's clubs and pay for play facilities in the ranking" I think the top 5 is spot on with even Barnbougle's inclusion at #1 only a month or so after opening would be seen as an uncontroversial choice. The different mags should really only have the top 100 based on merits, and then a top 50ish legitimate public tracks...
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