but whilst I like the hole I prefer many others
because I'm so tempted to hit driver into them.
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Best Short P4's
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Which are your Top3 favourite 'short' P4's ? and why ? For mine they are the most interesting holes on a course. For the purpose of this thread - I will define 'short' as anything sub 330-340m barrier.
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In Australia
10 RMW these are my favourites, I'm sure barnbougle has some good ones as does Kingdton heath.
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1/ 4th Woodlands
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4th Woodlands These 3 holes have me standing on the tee with at least 3 different options every time I play them, which is the strength of the great short par 4's IMO.
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My Top3 are
3 Kingston Heath I also mulled over the likes of 12 & 4 at Barnbougle Dunes + 10 at the Lakes + 14 at NSW Moe Do you take iron off the tee at 10 RMW or driver ?
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If he's a good player his decision will be dictated by the
conditions of the day
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The "different options" aspect is why I love the short
P4 as well Boonie as it can lead to a multitude of scores esp: a
shorter P4 like the 13th at Portsea (around 250m from memory?).
I'd love to sit there and see how many people take driver and
walk off with less than Par - I'd bet that more times than
not they would struggle to make Par at that.
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10 at RMW is a brilliant and stunning looking hole, but I never
hit driver there in a round that I care about the result of.
Every time I play it to the top of the hill and a pitch in. Of
course it doesn't help that my natural shot shape is a fade
I prefer others over 10 RMW because for me they offer a wider range of options and get the grey matter working harder.
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I nearly went for 3 RMW but I've always played the hole poorly no matter which option I've taken from the tee, so I find it hard to rate! 10 RMW I will take driver usually if I'm playing any semblence of my best golf as I usually hit a pretty high draw so it sets up well for me. Of the few times I've taken iron from that tee I've ended up shanking it into the scrub anyway, if I played 3 & 10 on a weekly basis as a member I suspect I'd proabbly likethe 3rd more, as it is a bit more enticing to hit driver for most, though isn't really driveable for most.
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Moe
The reason I asked about your strategies on 10 RMW is because my
normal shot is a draw but I have never considered hitting driver
there. It's probably because I'm more of a conservative
golfer I will be interested to hear what other people's strategies are for the hole and other short P4's
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As great openers and super short fours
1 Sorrento
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Alphonse For mine probably Ranfurlie is the pick of that bunch. Whilst on the topic of short P4's as opening holes - I enjoy those on offer at...
in NSW
in VIC
I can't think of many good one's in QLD ?
in WA ? SA ? TAS ? ACT ?
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St Andrews, OK, I've got to ask. What short par 4 are you talking about at Moonah Links Open? The shortest par 4 is the first and that's 340m... JJ
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JJ I was refering to 'short' opening holes in my last post and Moonah Links Open IMO is a decent short first hole St A's
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Best short par 4's:
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If Commonwealth and Victoria are good ones then they must be absolute shockers in Qld. Don't remember Horsham being much good and the other two aren't really that short. The Tasmanian ones are pretty easy, 4,12 and 15 on some course I've forgotten the name of.
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St Andrews never said he thought they were good. He said he enjoys them.
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and he later referred to good ones, giving the impression the
terms were interchangeable. or are you saying he enjoys them even
though they may be awful? Or does your unsurpassed breadth of all
human knowledge extend to being able to read St Andrews mind?
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Alphonse, Regardles of yours and my opinion, I didn't make a disparaging remark about you personally. I'd like to think somebody could have the decency to meet me and know me before pigeon holing me like that. You'd learn more about somebody's character from meeting them for five minutes than reading a lifetime of their posts. Your own posts seem very informed and a superb addition to these forums, and that is why I enjoy them. I didn't try and read his mind. I went only on his words, which is all that you, I and anyone else can go on here, implied or not. Give me some credit for what you may think are my misgivings until you meet me in person. Or in the meantime, attack my content but not me.
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Maate, this is internet, you caqn only respond to what is
written. Based on your interpreattion perhaps there could be a
new list of terrible short par fours that are enjoyable.
Love
Al
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Correct.
He wrote "enjoy", so don't interchange it with
"good", because this is internet and you can only
respond to what is written Perhaps to explain myself better, I don't think enjoyment of a hole has to always relate even remotely to its quality. For example, I enjoy playing Hidden Valley on occasion. I enjoy playing the eighteenth hole, though I think it is awful. St Andrews may have meant the same term for both, but I was more slighted by being name called by a stranger, which nobody enjoys regardless of the medium. No point anonomously hanging it on someone publicly and then claiming "oh, its only internet". If as you've noted, we can't see the entirety of someone's direction in print, then I can assume it isn't safe to make personal remarks about a total stranger. You did a lot more mind reading to name call me than I did to factually point out what St Andrews typed. I'm not guessing what he meant, just pointing out there isn't enough to go on. That all said, I think from what I've seen thus far you'd have to be one of the most knowledgeable new posters on here for some time. I stand more of a chance to learn heaps from your input if I don't get personally attacked from time to time.
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Apologies to Tithers and Alphonse for using "enjoy" and "good" in the same post and creating a bit of confusion - my fault. As we know they aren't always one and the same. I was trying to solicit response from fellow ISGers to those courses that I think have interesting opening holes as relatively short P4's be they enjoyable and / or be they good. I still rate Commonwealth's opening hole despite what others may say and as I said in that post can't think of too many standout good and enjoyable short P4 opening holes in QLD, ACT, TAS, SA, WA ? off the top of my head ?
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That's not saying much, as half my posts have been about Brooke Burkes shocking fake titties. Still, they don't look as fake as the mounds Peter Thomson and co keeps building. You might be right that there are golf holes that are so bad they are fun. I've never seen one, but then I've never gotten any enjoyment from playing awful golf holes. And I'm with Boonie on the best short 4s making you exercise some grey matter, which is why I detest the first at Commonwealth. The only choice is what do you layup with. A terrible hole with a terribly out of character green.
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My main beef with Commonwealth's first is I know what was there and loved it. In fact, it was one of the first half dozen par fours I ever hit in regulation. Melton Valley has quite a cool little opening par four. The wide expanse short and left, or the attacking line at the green with mounds and rough to negotiate. And if you get the attacking shot wrong, you have the fronting large bunker to deal with and a shallow green angle before you plunge down the depths over the back. From the fairway, the green is deep and offers an uncomplicated shot. Its just that few players have the sense to play it. I can't believe I just took the enormous punt of naming a Melton bunker. I also think Flinders' starter has some merit, because with the attempt to be a man can come instant fame and fortune, and a brilliant head start on your card. Or it can rip your heart out of your chest and hold it up and show it to you, dripping all over the place. The difficulty is in agreeing to lay back, from where the hole still presents a solid birdie opportunity. Ranfurlie's opener is an absolute cracker, especially the approach if more than 60-70 yards out with some wind around. The green suffers no fools.
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Comm 1 is a disgraceful hole. As far as good short 4 openers in QLD. 1 West and 1 East Indooroopilly are both good, 1 West exceptionally so.
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