OB

Replace ‘WHEN’ with ‘TO WHICH HOLE’ is a penalty to be applied in a stroke play competition for, say, practising between holes in breach of a local rule, and then I am sure you will be able to work through the matter.

AND it is the committee which applies the handicap AFTER the card has been submitted. (I would be interested to know where it states that the committee must add the penalties before deducting the handicap).

Assumption on the last point.
For a handicap event, only the nett is significant anyway.

AAA

I do not have time for this.

You obviously did but please don’t put yourself out. You are liberty to do something else.

Hopefully we will get back to normal Rules questions at some point :-)

Sorry :-(

Hopefully we will get back to normal Rules questions at some point :-)

Hit it where they mow

What are normal rules?

Are these not in the RB?

Are how do we punish or what to do next scenarios normal rules?

I would have thought how to score and administer penalties for the game might be somewhat important.

Thanks Shanks,
my reason for the original post was that I am attempting to put together some guidelines for pace of play and penalties involved.

Our Club has a few slow players, but I don’t want to be spoiling players enjoyment by being too harsh, so the suggested modified rules would be preferable, but as our next event is a two week par competition it would seem that I am unable to make any changes to the rule as published. I think that this was a reasonable rule of golf query!

but as our next event is a two week par competition it would seem that I am unable to make any changes to the rule as published.

Why do you say this? I don’t think anyone has said that.

Sorry to be repeating myself, but where in the rule book does it say that I may modify a penalty for a par competition? It is certainly not on page 51!

As it is strokeplay, where does it say you can’t?

Larry, I agree that there is no provision in the rule book for a modification to the penalties applicable for Par comps.

However, even though it is not provided for in the rules, the committee could impose modified penalties for a breach of 6-7 as a condition of competition.

As modified penalties are provided for in other forms of stroke play, it would seem that a precedent has been set.

Thanks OB, I would like to believe that you are correct, but it still seems strange to me that this is not covered in the book.

I am also perplexed that none of the so called Gurus have not contributed to this discussion, they are supposed to have direct access to the RBs and should have an answer.

I will put this problem to the R&A but the system does take a while.Thanks again for your interest.

Larry, As I see it your question has been answered .
Par is a form of stroke play & modifications are allowed for stroke play. How much more info do you need?

One tiny problem Pom: the answer is WRONG.

I Disagree!

Pom, rule 32 states that par and stableford competitions are forms of stroke play.THE RULES OF STROKE PLAY, SO FAR AS THEY ARE NOT AT VARIENCE WITH THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC RULES APPLY. The specific rule for par competition does not provide for the committee to modify the rule as I read it.

The specific rule does not prohibit the commitee from modifying the rule. So there is no varience from 6-7 note 2.

pom

Question:

You are playing in a par competition, the conditions for which include guidelines for play and a modification of penalties for slow play.

On the 7th tee you are advised by a person authorised by the committee that you will be penalised for breach of the slow play guidelines during play of the 6th hole, which you lost.

You complete the round 2 down.

What will be your final score?

Justify your answer.

Rule 32.
Note 2: If the competitor is in breach of Rule 6-3a (Time of Starting) but arrives at his starting point, ready to play, within five minutes after his starting time, or is in breach of Rule 6-7 (Undue Delay; Slow Play), the Committee will deduct one hole from the aggregate of holes. For a repeated offense under Rule 6-7, see Rule 32-2a.
So he/she is 3 down.
Always nice to help out.

pom

Question:

You are playing in a par competition, the conditions for which include guidelines for play and a modification of penalties for slow play.

On the 7th tee you are advised by a person authorised by the committee that you will be penalised for breach of the slow play guidelines during play of the 6th hole, which you lost.

You complete the round 2 down.

What will be your final score?

Justify your answer.

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Why would I answer you or justify myself to you. You are so dogmatic about the fact that the rules are difficult to read & understand that you disagree with anything that is posted by those that have a reasonable knowledge of the rules & how to enforce them.

You are so dogmatic about the fact that the rules are difficult to read & understand

Perhaps they really are difficult for him to understand. ;-)

You guys have missed the point entirely.

Larry’s question was not “what’s the penalty?”, but “in what way may the committee modify the penalty?”.

You guys have missed the point entirely.

Larry’s question was not “what’s the penalty?”, but “in what way may the committee modify the penalty?”.

OldBogey

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I didn’t miss the point at all,O.B.
Just didn’t know the answer to it.
More value in answering the “other” question, as I couldn’t see that Pom would bother about it and I figured I’d just play along for a bit.

Thanks Simon

You are, of course, spot on with your answer.

It is pity that pom decided not to participate. He seemed so confident in his opinion that I thought he may be able to assist us through a practical example.

However, I think that you might be just the right person to help us further by addressing the follow-up question.

Namely:

You are playing in a par competition, the conditions for which include guidelines for play and a modification of penalties for slow play.

On the 7th tee you are advised by a person authorised by the committee that you will be penalised for breach of the slow play guidelines during play of the 6th hole, which you lost. You are further advised by this same official on the 12th tee that you will again be penalised for your slow play on the 11th hole, which you won.

You complete the round 2 down.

What will be your final score?

Justify your answer.

OB

A bit of patience required.

And besides, Larry deserves little consideration as he is the one who had the temerity to ask an ‘abnormal’ rules question.