Apologies for the multi question but the following scenarios all took place in the one match

1. Player in a bunker moves sand with his club during the course of his backswing. After the ball came to rest I advised him of what I’d seen and he incurred a two stroke penalty. This resulted in him losing the hole. Was the two shot penalty correct or is it loss of hole?

2. Same player enters another bunker later in the match where there a weed growing through the sand close to the ball. Player pulls the weed out. Due to the previous scenario I was watching closely and informed the player that he couldn’t touch the weed and again told him it was a two shot penalty which resulted in him losing the hole. Was the two shot penalty correct or is it loss of hole?

3. Finally later in the round player 1 is asked to move his marked ball on the green. Player 1 moves his marker but when its his turn to putt he replaces his ball in the wrong position and holes the putt. As we move to the next tee I ask if he remembered to move his marker to its original spot he confirms he did not. I advised him that he had lost the hole as he’d played from the wrong place.
Again was this the correct decision?

I suppose I’m asking the questions as I didn’t like using the rules to claim the aforementioned holes as I’m certain that each incident was a genuine error and not an attempt to gain an advantage.

I await your knowledge!!

All the above penalties are loss of hole.

Thanks AAA for clarifying.

I’m not aware of any variations, but a stroke play two stroke penalty become a loss of hole penalty in match play.

There are variations.

Hitting another ball on the putting green after a stroke from the putting green is not a penalty in match play.

Playing from a place outside the teeing ground is not a penalty in match play, but the opponent can recall the stroke if he wants to.

Plus excess clubs, excess caddies, breach of one ball rule and breach of cart rules for a single hole are two strokes in stroke play but a one hole score adjustment in match play, rather than loss of hole.

Playing from a place outside the teeing ground is not a penalty in match play, but the opponent can recall the stroke if he wants to.

That’s interesting, so if on a Par 3 I notice my opponent has placed his ball slightly in front of the tee markers, but hits the ball into the water I can choose to say nothing and he incurs the penalty drop. But if he hit it on the green I tell him to hit again he get’s NO penalty?

That seems a little silly to me, the incorrect stroke should at least count. That is, if he hits the green and I call him back he is playing 2 from the tee.

nope.
you can ask your opponent to replay the stroke…or not

Plus excess clubs, excess caddies, breach of one ball rule and breach of cart rules for a single hole are two strokes in stroke play but a one hole score adjustment in match play, rather than loss of hole.

 

Steb, please explain the difference between a one hole score adjustment and a loss of hole.

Score adjustment
Discover you have an extra club during the first hole and the hole is played out. If you win the hole, the match score is all square; halve it and you’re 1 down, lose it and you’re 2 down.

Loss of hole
Hit a wrong ball on the first hole and the hole is not played out. You’re one down.

There’s only a difference in how the penalty is applied, the player loses the hole(s) in a match.

It is dangerous to call a score adjustment losing the hole. It is understandable why such Rules (4-4, 6-4…) avoid the term.

Please explain “Excess Caddies”

Please explain “Excess Caddies”

LOFT. the real reason why my handicap is where it is!
Don’t know about LOFT I’ve got the IBF’s
Became a Grandpa 12/4/12, a furure caddy in waiting.

That would be more than 1 caddy.

Score adjustment
Discover you have an extra club during the first hole and the hole is played out. If you win the hole, the match score is all square; halve it and you’re 1 down, lose it and you’re 2 down.

Loss of hole
Hit a wrong ball on the first hole and the hole is not played out. You’re one down.

 

Match play – At the conclusion of the hole at which the breach is discovered, the state of the match is adjusted by deducting one hole for each hole at which a breach occurred; maximum deduction per round – Two holes.

Do you disagree with something in the post you quoted, Simonsez?

Do you disagree with something in the post you quoted, Simonsez?

 

Yes I do Steb. It’s loss of hole, as the rule states, so your bloke would be 1 down; regardless of what each player actually scored.

Player A has taken 6 strokes to get to the green.
A finds B has 15 clubs.
Player B has taken 3 and makes his putt but has won the hole
A has lost the hole. B is one up
At the conclusion of the hole at which the breach is discovered, the state of the match is adjusted by deducting one hole for each hole at which a breach occurred
B has one hole deducted from his score. All square

Player A has taken 3 strokes to get to the green.
A finds B has 15 clubs.
Player B has taken 5
A makes his putt
A has won the hole. B is one down
At the conclusion of the hole at which the breach is discovered, the state of the match is adjusted by deducting one hole for each hole at which a breach occurred
B has one hole deducted from his score. A is two up

Do you disagree with something in the post you quoted, Simonsez?

 

Yes I do Steb. It’s loss of hole, as the rule states, so your bloke would be 1 down; regardless of what each player actually scored.

My apologies Steb. Went across to the decisions section and it spells out that what you say is correct. I’d always considered that it was loss of hole rather than “loss of a plus 1” which is something entirely different. This is why the rules forum is so useful.Especially when people (like me) get the wrong idea about interpretations.

No apology needed for you exactly illustrated why I mentioned adjustments should not be talked about as ‘loss of hole’ or ‘losing the hole’.

Continuing the excess caddies question.

During a match last season my son who had won his match dropped back to see how the other boys were going, when he caught up to one group they had just discovered that the caddie had left something behind and had gone back to retrieve it.
My son helped push the players buggy up the fairway to the green where our player won the hole.
A person from the other team then called the “Excess Caddie” rule and claimed the penalty was loss of hole.

Is this correct,

6-4 says a player may only have one caddie at any one time. If the player’s caddie had gone elsewhere and Taylar substituted during the other caddie’s absence, the player only had one caddie at any one time.

Under such circumstances, care must be taken that the two caddies do not do anything ‘together’ when the other one returns. There must appear to be a handover of the equipment with the substitute immediately leaving the vicinity, or else the opponent may have grounds for the breach of 6-4.

It’s also good to bear in mind this particular decision, which may well have applied in your case.
6-4/4.5
Another Caddie or Friend Carries Clubs While Player’s Caddie Returns to Tee with Player’s Glove

Q.A player walks from the putting green of the previous hole to the next tee with his driver while his caddie walks ahead with the clubs in order to save time. The caddie realizes he has his player’s glove and gives the clubs to another player’s caddie or friend to be carried while he takes the player his glove.

Did the player have two caddies in breach of Rule 6-4?

A.No. The casual act of someone assisting the player or his caddie in these circumstances does not constitute a breach of Rule 6-4.

Thank you guys, seem we were ripped.