The other day when swapping cards after the first hole .The player who gave me his card had signed the players part of the card.Is this ok to do that or not allowed within the rules .
As this is first time I have noticed it.
Say No More
BS.

Don’t know if it’s wrong or not but I do it all the time

Rule 6/6
Not a good idea to sign first but I wouldn’t worry too much if someone else did it.

b. Signing and Returning Score Card
After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

Not right but quite a few do it.

Probably been burned in the past by returning an unsigned card.

I will put my hand up and say i sign my card before swapping cards, I see it as a way of making sure I submit the card no matter how bad I play.

6-6b/1 – Competitor and Marker Sign Score Card in Wrong Places

There is no penalty if a marker signs the competitor’s score card in the space provided for the competitor’s signature, and the competitor then signs in the space provided for the marker’s signature.

6-6b/1 – Competitor and Marker Sign Score Card in Wrong Places

There is no penalty if a marker signs the competitor’s score card in the space provided for the competitor’s signature, and the competitor then signs in the space provided for the marker’s signature.

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The question was about the timing, rather than the location, of the player’s signature.

Oops.

Read literally, the highlighted words below suggest that unless the card is signed again after the round has finished, the penalty is DQ.

6-6b
After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-6b:

Disqualification.

Very difficult rule to police , this one. Easy to tell if handicap or a Signature is missing. Somewhat more difficult to judge when the card was signed & in My experience this is quite a common practice.

One could argue that the sentences in 6-6b are independent. i.e. that the competitor should check his scores after completion of the round, and that his marker and he have both signed the card. Not necessarily in that order.

So, if the card is signed before scores are entered, is that really a breach of 6-6b?

If the second sentence was not dependent on the clause ‘After completion of the round’ it would have been written first.

If the second sentence was not dependent on the clause ‘After completion of the round’ it would have been written first.

What?

If the intention were to have ‘After completion…’ apply to what is currently in the second sentence of Rule 6-6b then that rule would be written as a single compound sentence.

The player has do nothing wrong if he signs the score card prior to completing his round.

If the second sentence was written first (ie was an independent unqualified sentence) it would make no sense.

He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.
As there is no qualification, the implication is that all or any of these actions may take place before or during the round.

After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee.

Further, a compound sentence would be overly longwinded.

After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee and must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

Yup, that’s a long sentence and not very easy to read.

However, having the current second sentence follow the current first sentence does not, as you have claimed, imply that the opening clause of the first sentence applies to the timing of the required act in the second sentence.

You cannot be sure what the implication is.
Unless clarified by the writer, everyone’s inference is his own.
Your’s and mine are obviously different.

You cannot be sure what the implication is.
Unless clarified by the writer, everyone’s inference is his own.
Your’s and mine are obviously different.

You seemed sure that the order of the sentences meant that the second one was dependent on a clause in the first. Are you still sure of that?

As a well written paragraph will introduce its main point quickly, what to do after the round appears to be the point of this paragraph.

I’d be surprised however if the intention was to disqualify for signing early. I suggest the word ‘must’ refers to the requirement to sign rather than its timing.

If RG is correct, not only is the paragraph badly structured, the last sentence would be better written as:

He must ensure that he and the marker or markers have signed the score card and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

But I am still not happy that RG’s interpretation also allows the marker to sign before completion.

Is the player likely to gain any advantage if both he & his marker sign the card prior to starting the round. I can see a player being disadvantaged if the card is incorrect. I cannot see that he gains any advantage other than making sure that his card is signed.
I will admit that I used to do this many years ago. After being DQed a couple of times because of markers mistakes I decided that signing after the Marker was probably a better option..

Oops.

Read literally, the highlighted words below suggest that unless the card is signed again after the round has finished, the penalty is DQ.

6-6b
After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-6b:

Disqualification.

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Why didn’t I think of that?

If it was essential that the player sign his card after he has checked it, then instead of the compound sentence suggested, it could be done in point form.

• should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee;
• must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card;
• must sign the scorecard himself; and
• must return it to the Committee as soon as possible.”

The rule is not worded that way, so one must assume that the signing is not dependent on doing it after the round.

The implication is that the signing be done at the end, and that is the logical process, but it’s not stated as necessarily done last.

The rule is not worded that way, so one must assume that the signing is not dependent on doing it after the round.

You presume too much ;-)
There is no must about it. The word should be may

One would assume that.

A card can be signed at any time, the only important thing is:
Is the card card signed when it’s handed in, yes or no.