Firstly,I wonder if other people actually pay any attention to how many times each partner’s score in a 4BBB is recorded on the card.I do, because it annoys me when I get credited with an artificially good round because of the automatic 1.5 Stableford points that are added to my notional score on each occasion when my partner is first in the hole.
In any case,for those who do actually pay attention to this, are you ever in the situation where you and your partner both hole out for the same score but it suits you for the 2nd “holer out” to have the score recorded against his/her name?
If I were to do this do you think it would be cheating or not? Do you blokes always quit playing on a hole when your mate has already holed out and you can’t improve?
Just wondering what happens at other courses, that’s all.

If I can’t beat the score already holed I pick up when playing in a 4 bbb, but if I played out the hole and then found out I could not better my partners score then who ever holed out first their score is used.

My course, we always play singles along with a 4BBB so what you describe is not an issue. FWIW the first guy in the hole is credited with that hole.

Yeah, putting the 2nd bloke down would be dishonest…not the worst thing you can do on a golf course, but still not right.

My course, we always play singles along with a 4BBB so what you describe is not an issue. FWIW the first guy in the hole is credited with that hole.

Yeah, putting the 2nd bloke down would be dishonest…not the worst thing you can do on a golf course, but still not right.

Lies, all lies…

Four-time WBT Champion, or as blacksnake puts it ’blah blah blah’ :)

Half of the ’Trentham Dream Team’

My course, we always play singles along with a 4BBB so what you describe is not an issue. FWIW the first guy in the hole is credited with that hole.

Yeah, putting the 2nd bloke down would be dishonest…not the worst thing you can do on a golf course, but still not right.

Lies, all lies…

Four-time WBT Champion, or as blacksnake puts it ’blah blah blah’ :)

Half of the ’Trentham Dream Team’

But surely you’re only evening things up a bit with the dodgy way they allocate points when you don’t score on the hole?

the way they adjust your handicap with 4BBB rounds is very poor, yes. You probably are just evening things up…but where does it stop?

Yep, I’ve done a shot because I was on the card 10 times in a 4-ball with a good score…...it was nowhere near the winning score for the day so nothing except a new handicap…...I’m happy to break but it’s nice to have something to show for it.

1st in gets recorded on card ….
Clubs now have the option of handicapping 4BIBB cards anyway….

1st in gets recorded on card ….
Clubs now have the option of handicapping 4BIBB cards anyway….

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

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Peg has Bear_Vision

I know that the ist player who holes out is strong>supposed to be the one whose score is recorded on the card Peg.It’s just that I was wondering what % of us actually followed this to the letter.The instructions that accompany this state that both scores are in fact eligible, but go on to say that the 2nd person is to be regarded as not having completed the hole,regardless.I’d assume that by far the majority don’t keep track of the 9 or more proviso and just hole out in the order that naturally occurs.

My course, we always play singles along with a 4BBB so what you describe is not an issue. FWIW the first guy in the hole is credited with that hole.

Yeah, putting the 2nd bloke down would be dishonest…not the worst thing you can do on a golf course, but still not right.

Lies, all lies…

Four-time WBT Champion, or as blacksnake puts it ’blah blah blah’ :)

Half of the ’Trentham Dream Team’

But surely you’re only evening things up a bit with the dodgy way they allocate points when you don’t score on the hole?

the way they adjust your handicap with 4BBB rounds is very poor, yes. You probably are just evening things up…but where does it stop?

Lies, all lies…

Four-time WBT Champion, or as blacksnake puts it ’blah blah blah’ :)

Half of the ’Trentham Dream Team’

FWIW, this is in the bucket of ‘rules’ that are not as important as others…

1st in gets recorded on card ….
Clubs now have the option of handicapping 4BIBB cards anyway….

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

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Peg has Bear_Vision

I know that the ist player who holes out is strong>supposed to be the one whose score is recorded on the card Peg.It’s just that I was wondering what % of us actually followed this to the letter.The instructions that accompany this state that both scores are in fact eligible, but go on to say that the 2nd person is to be regarded as not having completed the hole,regardless.I’d assume that by far the majority don’t keep track of the 9 or more proviso and just hole out in the order that naturally occurs.

What instructions are they Simonsez. Don’t think I have ever seen anything in the rules regarding this.

Our club doesn’t handicap 4BBB rounds. Not worth the effort of analysing cards to see who scored what on how many. Besides, half the competitors just put all the scores in one column anyway.

All the Gross score OB?

“Rules’ for handicapping 4BBB are on the Golf Australia web site.
Not part of the rules of golf.

No but the rules for scoring are.

1st in gets recorded on card ….
Clubs now have the option of handicapping 4BIBB cards anyway….

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

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Peg has Bear_Vision

I know that the ist player who holes out is strong>supposed to be the one whose score is recorded on the card Peg.It’s just that I was wondering what % of us actually followed this to the letter.The instructions that accompany this state that both scores are in fact eligible, but go on to say that the 2nd person is to be regarded as not having completed the hole,regardless.I’d assume that by far the majority don’t keep track of the 9 or more proviso and just hole out in the order that naturally occurs.

What instructions are they Simonsez. Don’t think I have ever seen anything in the rules regarding this.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Hard to find Pom.They’re under The Australian Handicap System,
section D,subsection (V) part (11).

Our club doesn’t handicap 4BBB rounds. Not worth the effort of analysing cards to see who scored what on how many. Besides, half the competitors just put all the scores in one column anyway.

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Sounds like my sort of club O.B. I normally don’t have a problem with this, because I pay close attention and don’t hole out first if it’s going to cause a problem. Last 4BBB I was credited with 38 points when I would only have had 34 in a singles event.Wouldn’t mind if I could actually play to my hcp, but there you have it.

Hi Simonsez

Only cards with points of 42 or more should be looked at for handicap purposes in 4BBB.

Adding 1.5 is not automatic. It could be 0, 1 or 1.5 depending upon whether you both failed to score a point (0) and whether you receive a shot on the hole (1.5) or not (1).

Finally, if both partners record the same score for a hole(s) then their individual scores are to be used when calculating their individual scores for handicap purposes. This of course assumes that both players record their strokes on the card.

Hope your 38 points wasn’t on a combined card with less than 42 points!

Hi Simonsez

Only cards with points of 42 or more should be looked at for handicap purposes in 4BBB.

Adding 1.5 is not automatic. It could be 0, 1 or 1.5 depending upon whether you both failed to score a point (0) and whether you receive a shot on the hole (1.5) or not (1).

Finally, if both partners record the same score for a hole(s) then their individual scores are to be used when calculating their individual scores for handicap purposes. This of course assumes that both players record their strokes on the card.

Hope your 38 points wasn’t on a combined card with less than 42 points!

Luckyman: It’s really very good of you to take the time to explain this to me.

1st in gets recorded on card ….
Clubs now have the option of handicapping 4BIBB cards anyway….

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

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Peg has Bear_Vision

I know that the ist player who holes out is strong>supposed to be the one whose score is recorded on the card Peg.It’s just that I was wondering what % of us actually followed this to the letter.The instructions that accompany this state that both scores are in fact eligible, but go on to say that the 2nd person is to be regarded as not having completed the hole,regardless.I’d assume that by far the majority don’t keep track of the 9 or more proviso and just hole out in the order that naturally occurs.

What instructions are they Simonsez. Don’t think I have ever seen anything in the rules regarding this.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Hard to find Pom.They’re under The Australian Handicap System,
section D,subsection (V) part (11).

These instructions then are for the purposes of handicapping & are not actually rules of Golf. I know I am being picky but we are expected to play within the rules. As far as I been able to ascertain there is no actual rule of golf that states that you must record the score of the first person on the hole when both scores are the same.

That’s exactly how I feel about it Pom.Partnered on Saturday with a bloke who normally has no qualms about about “managing” his own hcp by throwing in a 4 putt here and there;not to mention his other antics.In any case, I was trying to do the right thing and had scored on 8 of the first 11 holes we’d played and was about to score for the 9 th time on the 12th.Made the mistake of suggesting that we might actually take his 3 pointer on the 10 th hole as opposed to mine.Should have heard the carry-on from this bloke.Talk about bloody double standards.

Gotta love those Handicap Manipulators. Know a couple myself. But he would think it was a great idea if roles were reversed

Simon, here’s another way of looking at it:

Imagine if player A hit the ball pretty average all day, but due to his fantastic coaching, green reading and course management skills, enabled his partner to have a blinder, giving them a great team score.

Many pros for example claim they could knock 10 stokes off many amateurs’ games just by talking them through the round.

So would it not be right to handicap A down, to lessen his effect on future partner events?

Simon, here’s another way of looking at it:

Imagine if player A hit the ball pretty average all day, but due to his fantastic coaching, green reading and course management skills, enabled his partner to have a blinder, giving them a great team score.

Many pros for example claim they could knock 10 stokes off many amateurs’ games just by talking them through the round.

So would it not be right to handicap A down, to lessen his effect on future partner events?

 

Wish this player A would have a game with me Steb,I could really do with the help.I’m not sure what you’re going to do about him at this stage. He’ll probably get his comeuppance when the new suite of hcp changes come into play later in the year.We’ll hear a few whinges then I’ll absolutely guarantee.

Surely Regardless of weather you agree or disagree with it. The point is that you can record whichever score you prefer because the Rules of Golf do not Forbid it.
I guess you could make using the score of the first partner in the hole in this Situation a” Condition of competition”. But if not, Then either score counts.