A bit illogical, isn’t it, Maggie?

If you are putting on the green & there is another ball in the way Get it marked. If you don’t & you hit it, Penalty.

Not if the hit ball is not in play. It may have been lifted and set aside.

It seems totally logical to me otherwise i wouldnt have brought it up!

To my way of thinking a holed ball is dead, a ball that cant score has to be dead and the connection is, because both have completed their scoring cycle – so why arent they sharing the same status? But they dont, one doesnt attract a penalty and the other apparently does…illogical!

A ball in play is simply in play because its sitting on the green rather than whether its being hit or able to attract a score….in play denotes it is able to be played whereas in fact it cant be because its an out….so how can it attract a penalty if its not in play?..illogical!

If you are putting on the green & there is another ball in the way Get it marked. If you don’t & you hit it, Penalty.

Not if the hit ball is not in play. It may have been lifted and set aside.

 

The point I was trying to make though was if there is a ball that you could possibly hit , get it marked. Out of play or not , if it is marked or lifted , you cannot hit it.
Maggie. There is nothing to prevent you from playing a ball that cannot be scored with.as long as you are not holding up play.
As above. Why risk hitting another ball?

Maggie
Two points to consider.
1) A player may continue the play of a hole even though he can’t score (stableford) or has lost the hole in a match.
In the case I mentioned, A may well not have known that B was ‘out’, particularly if C was B’s marker.
2) A ball on the green may well be a ball that is not in play. Think about what causes a ball to be not in play.

The balls don’t ‘share the same status’ because the game is about holing the ball not scoring per se. Remember ‘stableford’ came to the game relatively recently.

I guess if all four at a par 3 hit a hole in one the last may not go in! What a disappointment for the fourth player :-)))

A bit illogical, isn’t it, Maggie?

OldBogey

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And since when did logic become a prerequisite for golf rules?

GPS on iPhone illegal because said device has a compass springs to mind

Also a ball that can no longer be scored with can still get the player disqualified. It isn’t dead yet!

And since when did logic become a prerequisite for golf rules?

Never, for what is logical to one person is not logical to the next.

For example, I think it is quite logical for compassed iPhones to be a no-no when used as a DMD.

Also what is not logical for one person at one time may become logical with gained understanding.

And since when did logic become a prerequisite for golf rules?

Never, for what is logical to one person is not logical to the next.

For example, I think it is quite logical for compassed iPhones to be a no-no when used as a DMD.

Also what is not logical for one person at one time may become logical with gained understanding.

 

Very deep that.

And you must be the person who could fathom how a compass of any sort could benefit any player on a course.

The difference between a holed ball and one left on the green is the one on the green can give an advantage to another player on the green which is not available to everyone else within the competition , whereas it is assumed a holed ball will not . I thought that was the whole purpose of penalizing anyone who strikes another ball on the green !

xmaggiex

Re: I guess we r expected to adhere by the rules in both comps and social rounds

The Rules of Golf apply only to competition golf or when a ‘player’ wishes to submit a card for handicap purposes. They cannot be enforced upon someone just ‘playing’ a game.

When playing social golf play by any ‘rules’ agreed between you and your friends: putts are good ‘within the leather’; bunkers containing casual water are out of play; lost ball – drop nearby for one stroke penalty; you name it…

Relax and enjoy it. ‘Big-Brother’ will not be watching.

And you must be the person who could fathom how a compass of any sort could benefit any player on a course.

You’re assuming compasses are forbidden because of any potential advantage they may give. Artificial devices are forbidden because they are not in the tradition of the game, regardless of whether they give any advantage or not.

Golf wants people swinging clubs, not operating devices. DMDs were only reluctantly allowed because they eliminated the ridiculous levels of pacing from markers that crept into the game.

And even if you don’t believe that, pro tournaments will sometimes have compass directions spray-painted on tee boxes or fairways. It’s not done so players can locate their hotels to wave to their wives.

The Rules of Golf apply only to competition golf or when a ‘player’ wishes to submit a card for handicap purposes. They cannot be enforced upon someone just ‘playing’ a game.

The Rules of Golf do not only apply to competition golf, defining many practices that are expected to be adhered to in social golf. Try playing the course backwards, playing from a wrong green, playing from the car-park, taking too long, playing from compulsory GUR,.. and you’ll see some rules very much get enforced. Only rules that don’t affect anyone else or the course are fine to be relaxed socially.

The Rules of Golf apply only to competition golf or when a ‘player’ wishes to submit a card for handicap purposes. They cannot be enforced upon someone just ‘playing’ a game.

The Rules of Golf do not only apply to competition golf, defining many practices that are expected to be adhered to in social golf. Try playing the course backwards, playing from a wrong green, playing from the car-park, taking too long, playing from compulsory GUR,.. and you’ll see some rules very much get enforced. Only rules that don’t affect anyone else or the course are fine to be relaxed socially.

 

Get enforced by whom exactly Steb?

Many of your examples eg playing the course backwards, wrong green have been done by many including me at very quiet times and hurt nobody. It is actually fun!

Cross country golf is the best in quiet times. Pick any tee, any green, and there’s your hole. Good in match play when you win a 2000m hole with a well made 12.

Steb

You are seriously confused.

There is a difference between breaching a rule or local rule in a competition and exhibiting the same behaviour in a practice hit or social game.

To take just one of your examples, if a player is detected playing from compulsory GUR in a competition he will incur a two stroke penalty under the Rules. If he is detected doing the same thing when playing by himself (having a few hits) it is complete nonsense to imagine that he will somehow incur a two stroke penalty. He may well be asked to meet with the committee, and receive a reprimand or a small holiday from the club, but to impose a two stroke penalty would be ludicrous (real Monty Python stuff).

The same can be said about playing from a wrong green with a 4 iron or any other situation you may describe. The rules, as such, simply do not apply to social golf unless the players agree.

What does apply to all golf is etiquette and responsible behaviour. Competition golf is controlled by the committee responsible for the competition; member behaviour is controlled by the committee responsible for the club – they may be the same body, but wearing different hats.

To summarise: There is, WITHIN THE RULES, no penalty of suspension from the club for playing from compulsory GUR in a competition, and there is no penalty of two strokes for the same ‘offence’ when a player is not playing in a competition.

You seem to be confused about a couple of definitions. Those being “Rules”& “Penalties”
Why is it when somone does not like a rule they think that it should be changed.
Ask around the clubhouse after saturday comp.”What is the worst rule in Golf?” And you will get several different answers.
No matter what the rule makers do, there will always be players that think that they can do a better job.
However. I cannot remember how many times people on this forum have been invited to post a rewritten rule of golf fixing up problems perceived to be with the way it is written at present. I have yet to see anyone try to do this seriously.
To finish with. IMO most players dislike a rule because they do not understand it & it’s reason for being there.
Most players do not understand the rules because they are not prepared to go to the trouble of trying.
Example: How many comp players do you know that actually read the local rule board before they play a comp round.
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I do, Pom.

It’s not just a matter of rewriting a few rules so that each one is more easily understood where there may currently be some ambiguity.

It’s time for a complete rewrite with streamlining of much of it. The myriad of decisions haven’t helped the overall situation, just made things look more complicated for those with only a passing knowledge.

just made things look more complicated for those with only a passing knowledge.

I wonder how many people play chess or bridge with just a passing knowledge.

Rogaman

I thought that the USGA handicap system (and USGA based systems) put an obligation on players to play by the Rules of Golf even when not playing in competition.

Rogaman

I thought that the USGA handicap system (and USGA based systems) put an obligation on players to play by the Rules of Golf even when not playing in competition.

What other rules are we not playing by?

:-)

And what sort of ‘obligation’ would that be?

It is entirely reasonable for persons wishing to operate within a system to be required to comply with the conditions of that system. You may not have noticed that on February 20 I acknowledged that the Rules of Golf apply (also) to a ‘player’ who wishes to submit a card for handicap purposes.

Any other quasi ‘obligation’ purportedly imposed upon social golfers is a joke.

Incidentally, the system to which you refer is probably the silliest piece of policy ever introduced to a game of sporting and recreational endeavour.

I do, Pom.

It’s not just a matter of rewriting a few rules so that each one is more easily understood where there may currently be some ambiguity.

It’s time for a complete rewrite with streamlining of much of it. The myriad of decisions haven’t helped the overall situation, just made things look more complicated for those with only a passing knowledge.

OldBogey

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OB. Some of us do. Most club golfers do not & then expect that other members of the group will have.

And what sort of ‘obligation’ would that be?

It is entirely reasonable for persons wishing to operate within a system to be required to comply with the conditions of that system. You may not have noticed that on February 20 I acknowledged that the Rules of Golf apply (also) to a ‘player’ who wishes to submit a card for handicap purposes.

Any other quasi ‘obligation’ purportedly imposed upon social golfers is a joke.

Incidentally, the system to which you refer is probably the silliest piece of policy ever introduced to a game of sporting and recreational endeavour.

http://www.rogamania.blogsp…

The obligation is one imposed by the player on himself when he signs up for a USGA handicap.

However, I have never been convinced that the USGA’s ‘all scores count’ philosophy really works.